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Posted by: Matt O'Neill | 02-Feb-2010 11:45 AM |

I'm cheering for anyone who want to lose a lot of weight to get healthy, but dramatic weight loss stuffs your metabolism. See Media Release on this here: http://tinyurl.com/y8lsgta. Given the downnsides I can only feel that people experience rapid weight loss, either (1) Because they need it for motivation or (2) Their plan is too restrictive (eg. shakes) and causes excessive losses. I present an alertnative program that focuses optimising metabolism with real foods and boosting nutrition skills. With these elements, you don't need rapid results because you feel confident to get results and keep them (without stuffing your metabolism). If anyone wants info - metabolicjumpstart.com. Twitter - /matthewoneill

Posted by: Sonja Falvo | 02-Feb-2010 11:54 AM |

I would love to share my media release which also expresses my thoughts about the Biggest Loser! Media Release: 2 February 2010 Could The Biggest Loser Be Sending Out The Wrong Message? Viewers across the nation tune in to The Biggest Loser, many of whom are overweight and desperate to find motivation and answers to help them also shed their unwanted body-fat. But is it realistic to let people think that 15kg of weight loss in one week is normal, or even realistic? We already have a society who want quick fixes and overnight solutions, add to this the pressure of having them feel that losing 10-15kg a week is ‘normal’ and they are more likely than ever to feel that they are failures when they can’t achieve these results. For every day Aussies that are not locked away for months on end with a personal trainer and chef’s, losing weight permanently requires a balanced approach and permanent lifestyle changes; changes that are real, that are simple and that are effective – not something that requires drinking their meals for the rest of their lives or having them feel hopeless or like failures when it doesn’t work. So, with over 7.4 million Australian adults classified as overweight or obese and those figures expected to increase by 50 per cent within five years*, Sonja Falvo (Director of Real Body Enterprises) has launched the inaugural National Fat-Loss-a-Thon. Ms Falvo sees this event as a necessity for our nation’s health and wellbeing. “I want to help build a healthier and fitter country, so I have set a goal to help 4,000 Australians lose 24,000 kilos and raise $250,000 for The Sports Rewards Foundation between 1 January and 17 May, 2010’,” MS Falvo said. Each participant in The National Fat-Loss-A-Thon will take part in a 12-week online program developed by Real Body Enterprises, with the chance to win more than $13,000 in cash and prizes. The event is aimed at improving overall health and wellbeing, assisting in weight loss and providing simple and effective lifestyle changes, Ms Falvo explained. “The National Fat-Loss-A-Thon will help to raise awareness of the importance of physical activity and healthy lifestyle habits for the prevention of obesity, type II diabetes and heart disease” she said. Registration for the National Fat-Loss-A-Thon began on 1 January 2010 and entries remain open until 28 February, 2010. Participants will receive online access to information and guidelines on how to follow the 12-week Real Body Program, including recipes, meal plans and exercise programs. Ms Falvo wrote the program after two years of research and through her work with three nutritionists. Entry is confirmed with a $10 donation to the Sports Rewards Foundation and each participant’s 12-week program must be completed by 17 May, 2010. Winners are judged 50 per cent on their physical results (from their before and after photos) and 50 per cent on personal questionnaire answers. The National Fat-Loss-a-Thon is supported by the following sponsors: Real Body Enterprises www.RealBodyEnterprises.com PB Sports www.pbsportsnutrition.com Swish Events www.swishcorporation.com Strawberry Communications www.strawberrycommunications.com.au Westpac www.westpac.com.au Blooms Health www.bloomshealth.com.au Hound Dog Graphics www.hounddoggraphics.com.au Balanced Magazine www.balancedmedia.com.au For more information visit www.fatlossathon.com and http://www.healthyweightweek.com.au/index.asp * Australian Bureau of Statistics: Overweight and Obesity in Adults Australia 2004-2005, Catalogue 4719.0 -ends- For further information, images or interviews please contact: Johanna Baker-Dowdell Strawberry Communications P: 0423 969 661 E: johanna@strawberrycommunications.com.au W: www.strawberrycommunications.com.au Sonja Falvo Real Body Enterprises P: (07) 3392 0770 E: admin@realbodyenterprises.com W: www.RealBodyEnterprises.com About Real Body Enterprises • Real Body Enterprises aims to deliver a sensible, realistic approach to healthy eating and lifestyle to provide long-term fat loss, increased self-esteem and quality of life • Real Body Enterprises wants to reduce the global epidemic of obesity in children and adults through education, support and a program that is designed to deliver results to every person, every time • Real Body Enterprises CEO Sonja Falvo is an author of two bestselling books, keynote speaker and has a strong passion for helping people to improve their long-term health, wellbeing and self-esteem • Sonja Falvo was also Director of What Women Want Personal Training in Brisbane and National Fitness Manager for Fitness First in the UK • Real Body Enterprises: Level 16/120 Edward St, Brisbane, (07) 3392 0770 or admin@realbodyenterprises.com. About The Sports Rewards Foundation • The Sports Rewards Foundation is a not-for-profit entity • It was established to remove barriers to entry for children involved in physical activity and organised sport (to combat the childhood obesity epidemic) as well as to actively promote physical activity and organised sports to children and teens • The Sports Rewards Foundation aims to raise awareness of the importance of physical activity for better health in children and donate more than $2 million per year to grass roots sports. • Visit www.SportsRewards.net.au and click on Foundation for more information.

Posted by: Shaz | 02-Feb-2010 12:16 PM |

I love it. I loved it last night when they had to do their public speaking - very brave. I'm well aware of the dangers of such rapid weight loss and the damage it can do - but it also encourages larger people to start asking questions and asking for help. I know I have a feedback newsletter at the end of each week of all the questions my clients have asked during the week. As a person who battles with her weight every day of her life, I understand the demons that some of these people go through. However look at their fantastic achievements. The young man, Shannon, he had a major breakthrough last night by getting off the ground and continuing the walk. Good on these people for being brave enough to go on tv for help. Good on them for allowing us to hear their demons and see their struggles. Good on anyone else this show motivates to start looking after themselves. Any trainer worth their profession would obviously tell their clients that this is extreme and will not happen to them, but if it motivates them even more to get moving - that's a fantastic thing.

Posted by: Bel | 02-Feb-2010 01:08 PM |

I think this show is the greatest thing to ever grace reality TV. It's motivating sedentary people to get moving & proving that you can lose weight, no matter what your circumstances. Those that have been following the show for a while will know that losing 10kg a week isn't realistic for anyone in the real world but we have to remember that they have personal trainers/nutritionists on the show & are on tight food restrictions. They also work out more than the average person per day AND have a LOT more weight to lose, hence the massive losses. The great thing about The Biggest Loser is that It shows how emotional the journey to losing weight can be. The contestants are so inspirational & defy all kinds of odds to lose weight. Its not easy to get up in front of the whole country with half your gear off so everyone can see your body (during weigh-in). Massive respect for anyone that can do that, especially on TV. As a personal trainer, I get a lot of ideas from the show (although some of the exercises are not-so conventional). I think the trainers do a great job in coaching the contestants, both physically & emotionally. Long live Biggest Loser!

Posted by: Gabrielle Maston Dietitian and Exercise Physiologist www.changingshape.net.au | 02-Feb-2010 01:16 PM |

I think the underlying priciples of the show -using Diet therapy and Exercsie for weight loss is great. I do however disaggree with the intensity of exercise the participants undertake. Being obese places a large strain on joints and the cardiovascular system. Undertaking this type of exercise intensity can be very dangerous for these people. Far often than not there is a participant who injures themselves thats puts them "out of the game" for a significant period of time. This can be very discouraging for the participant, but also I believe shows professional negligence by the trainers. Often in new clients I see , I am disappointed when they complain how hard it is to lose weight. often referring to the biggest losers. They state that if they also had 6 hours to train they would be able to lose weight too. The show creates an unrealistic view on weight loss treatment. It causes weightloss to be viewed as a distant unattainable goal in ther circumstances. Encourage your clients to exercise moderatly and adopt a view on healthy eating and food. This is really all it takes. In good health - Gabrielle Maston- Dietitian/nutritionist and Exercise physiologist www.changingshape.net.au

Posted by: Joanne Butler | 02-Feb-2010 01:53 PM |

I'm not sure whether I love or hate it because there are parts I think are too much and others, like the fact that it motivates so many to give it a go, that are spot on. I think any one of us (fitness professionals) can take bits and pieces and use them as motivation for those already on their journey or for those that are yet to begin. Anything that can help motivate people to change to a healthier lifestyle is great in my books. I love the way they use both nutrition and training as the means even though sometimes I feel that the workouts themselves are not quite appropriate. But then again, what we see on TV could be totally different to what really goes on. Jo

Posted by: Nick Whiley | 02-Feb-2010 02:29 PM |

I love the show, and the good health practices it actively promotes and encourages. To suggest it creates unrealistic expectations because of the amount of weight lost each week is like suggesting I would get an unrealistic expectation of how much money I can make if I read Bill Gates' biography. I believe the show does a great job of presenting solid old fashioned healthy habits (diet and exercise, with appropriate supervision) methods of losing weight. It makes no claim that viewers can achieve similar results without similar focus and effort, and frankly I don't think people are that stupid. Of course the production wants to make the show competitive, so we'll see some people achieving dramatic results. I believe that over-achievement serves more to inspire than mis-lead. OK, I'm off to make $35billion in business now! Surely it can't be THAT difficult. ;)

Posted by: Anonymous | 02-Feb-2010 04:17 PM |

Could it be that these people really need to see someone about their Psychological problems before they attack their physical one?

Posted by: patricia mclean | 02-Feb-2010 07:56 PM |

as per above yes you can not loose weight and ikeep it of until the psychological demons have been addressed, i know this from perrsonal experince. so maybe there neds to be a psychologist attached to the show, the trainers do address this issue, but i do not think they are trained in this feild, though all personal trainers do act as councellors to some extent

Posted by: Michelle H | 02-Feb-2010 11:52 PM |

I love it - being in the fitness (& personal development) industry I am fully supportive of the contestants and trainers. It really emphasises that with consistency and determination, you can achieve whatever you desire. There may be health risks associated with rapid weight loss but can it be any worse than where they started? Good onto them and providing motivation to those that need it.

Posted by: Gary Hoffman | 03-Feb-2010 02:12 AM |

Yep fitness - good, yep healthy eating - good, yep weight loss for obese - good, biggest loser - good? YEP FOR RATINGS! Lets not lose sight of why this show exists. TV RATINGS! think about it, if someone on the show had a heart attack from the exessive strain they are put through and could not be saved the show would be axed, if ratings declined the show would be axed. 'Reality' I think not, as a trainer and assessor for the fitness industry (first qualifed in 1987 - upgraded as recently as 2008 and constantly upskilling), I do not like the message it sends out! Question: would all those above saying they 'love it' risk their own clients life (do you have a medical team standing by?) in this way????

Posted by: Clayton | 04-Feb-2010 12:07 PM |

It's a love hate relationship really. But having said that, anything that gets people interested in losing weight or fitness or just generally getting of their backside and starting to move is a plus. While the situation they create on TV is hard to emulate in the real world, ie. food prepared by chefs, the whole drama of the situation and the endless props necessary to entertain people into exercise, ignoring the medium is foolish as is trying to discredit the show. Have to agree with Matt's comment also... Nutrient rich food, sensible eating and exercise is a sound way to get into shape NO MATTER WHERE YOU START FROM. There are no pills, shakes, etc. required to lose weight. Regards, Clayton Adelaide Personal Trainers http://www.adelaidepersonaltrainers.com.au

Posted by: Elissa | 10-Feb-2010 07:29 PM |

So totally agree with Anonymous. All I see is a mass of emotional/psychological trauma...

Posted by: Esther | 11-Feb-2010 10:47 AM |

As a personal trainer ... all the show does for me is create a false impression of massive rapid weight loss. I am finding it difficult for my clients (those that actually watch the show) to understand that there never is a quick "fix solution" to weight loss and maintaining that weight loss.

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Posted by: Williams Australia | 16-Nov-2009 12:39 PM |

As the owner of Australia's 2008 & 2009 Personal Training Business of the Year and one of Australia's leading fitness experts, I feel it necessary to respond to this article. One thing you failed to ask all the people that were surveyed was how many of them that watch the show have actually made some form of effort to either exercise more or eat a little bit healthier from watching the show?? I agree that the name of the show is perhaps not ideal as it is putting a negative sub conscious thought process into people's mind (are they thinking they are a loser just from the the name of the show?) but it does attract people to watch it... They do deliver a very easy message for the Aust community to yes move more eat better, which I believe is a huge positive for the country. Everytime the show goes live to air, here in Canberra we really notice an increase in numbers to our Group Personal Training or Boot Camp programs. At last years show we had an average rise of 15% of participants to ur classes. We actually now time our program launches to match the shows. I believe some of the people in our country are missing the message of just how dangerous this is becoming, we are now the FATTEST country in the world yet people are still laughing at that fact... Agreed both trainers have their own style and method for training but both do a wonderful good in getting results and assisting to change people's lives for the better. We cannot forget the un mentioned fact that some of the people that have been on the show over the years, may not actually be with us now if it wasn't for the show, Shannon & Michelle and the combined effort to teach these individuals how to lose 50+ kg. I would rather see someone lose 50kg rapidly than not all!!! One thing we do not see is the behind efforts of the show and the fact that they are taught how to cook properly, what is the difference between good and bad foods etc, they also have Dr's & physicaians on hand for the participants so as to ensure that they are safe at all times whilst on the show. The show does let people know that it is possible and anyone can do it. These people are all just average Joe's like the rest of yet they can do it!! There are many great and accessible and affordable programs available across Australia for people to attend who are a bit conscious about their appearance. They may just need to look a bit closer at their community. Here in Canberra we offer small groups at a greatly discounted rate the opportunity to come to sessions with like minded people. Now we mix these sessions up from fitness, to working with the mind to going to the grocery store and showing healthier options. In 2010 we are also going to incorporate cooking classes as well to show how easy it is to cook. Now these classes are only around $10 per session. At the end of the day I am not sure what price people can put on their life? I agree totally that the show has really raised the awareness nationally of the challenges people face everyday and I say keep up the great work!!! Scott Williams Succeed Personal Development www.succeed.com.au

Posted by: Anonymous | 03-Dec-2009 09:50 AM |

Being a Personal Trainer i can only be attracted to this kind of program wether positive or negative vibes are experienced. We must remember that the show is there for the ratings 1st and foremost of the TV station, and if the ratings drop so does the program. Everything about TV like this has to be dramatic or excessive to survive and if the show was called "How to Lose Weight" or "Get Thinner and Fitter" how attractive would that be amidst all the other weight loss programs. Its a great name formulated to attract attention either way. The TV show is excessive but it is for TV. Great show, if they take offense then they need to toughen up as the road to permanent control of our health and fitness is long and hard. Get from the show what u can and remember. you are watching tele and not a seminar.

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Posted by: Dineke Kleyn-Langeveld | 04-Jun-2009 06:32 AM |

Hi Steve,
Good to read positive stuff about the vibration training.I was at first a bit sceptic being a personal trainer (you know what we are like) and even having a bad experience trying it out, I have been working with it for two years now intensively (We at vibragym work one on one with the clients)A lot of people use because it is short and intense, but I worked with quite a few people of which one was told she could not walk again after being paralized.She started just having her feet on the plate for months, after persevering she started to come in with a walker instead of a wheelchair.
Myself, (by the way I am 64,) if I do RPM and have not used the vibration for a couple of days my legs get quite tired during class.
Anyway I would love to learn more about vibration training for rehab as such.
Warm regards
Dineke Kleyn, FC Vibragym, Whangaparaoa,New Zealand.
P.S.The machines I work with are the only medical certified at the moment.

Posted by: Di Heap | 04-Jun-2009 06:59 AM |

A dedicated site with articles (lots of info) and comments. You can also get all your questions answered (Note: the site does NOT sell anything)
www.vibrationtraining.net

Posted by: Robinson Australia | 04-Jun-2009 07:31 AM |

I have a client who required knee surgery so cardio training was impossible for her. After using my vibration technology she lost a few kilos in a few weeks, and it definitely wasn't because of her diet! So put it down to the vibration techniques.

Posted by: Anonymous | 04-Jun-2009 10:27 AM |

Have made vibration training available to members as an added value, however they were rarely used as most feel they get more out of functional exercise. We also have a large rehab based membership, along with Physio's, who never use these platforms. Have noticed that the vibration training studio continually move to smaller and smaller premises - so are not doing very well. All in all vibration platforms very over rated.

Posted by: David Driscoll | 04-Jun-2009 10:56 AM |

Could we have a reference for this quote please "This process also uses up to 100 per cent of a muscle’s fibre, "
The reason we have science is because people's anecdotal stories aren't reliable as evidence. Just read what the majority of papers say, vibration training has its place but the claims made by most people selling and promoting it (like this article appears to be) are massively exaggerated.
I predict this will mostly be another trend trainers will move on from in a few years; to the next pseudo-scientific gimmick.

Posted by: Sean | 04-Jun-2009 11:31 AM |

Vibration training is a fad, a rip off. It is snake oil of the lowest order. It lacks any credible research back up and has no physiological rationale behind it whatsoever.
Its success is entirely because it is easily marketable - both clients and wanna-be trainers can be produced en masse thanks to bogus certification programs and cheesy marketing - all working towards the ultimate goal of making the people who manufacture these contraptions a large amount of money.
Compare this with say kettle bell training - incredibly effective but nowhere near as successful in the fitness market - why? Because it requires a lot of knowledge to coach effectively and safely - and because its bloody hard work, therefore unsuitable for silly ads showing slim ladies mid exercise smiling happily like they are on drugs or something.

Posted by: Nick | 04-Jun-2009 11:31 AM |

Vibration training is not the future of training and has very little use in anything beyond rehabilitation work or massage.

Posted by: Jamie | 04-Jun-2009 11:39 AM |

I believe it is pointless as it is limited (new fitness frontier lol). If a larger plate were to be made say 6m by 6m there would be some benefits as variety from your normal work outs as whole work outs/routines could be done on this larger vibrating plate.
Although all of these new gadgets and thingamabobs are just so people can get rich as there is nothing like old fashioned hard work and sweat. TTFU which is short for Toughen The F&*% Up (excuse the language) we are all looking for the quick way (including myself on occasion) out, around and through the obvious, which is TTFU do the hard work get the pain, common sense with food and you will be rewarded with results.
I believe any activity if it gets people off their bums is good so to contradict myself if all these gadgets helps people to get up and move great but I do believe people do get ripped off with most of these things quite regularly which gives us all a bad name and makes me sad .

Posted by: Cunningham Australia | 04-Jun-2009 01:05 PM |

First heard about vibration in late 90's' used extensively in Europe and was part of the Russian space program long before it was a fad! Fair amount of data regarding bone density is also available. chill out guys, the world is already an angry place do some yoga?

Posted by: Sharyn | 04-Jun-2009 02:13 PM |

Looks like more for abs and upper body - what about glutes and hammies / quads ?

Posted by: Chris | 04-Jun-2009 02:14 PM |

Hi, Reminds me of the old vibrating belt that was supposed to remove fat from your hips. I didn't fall for it then and I feel skeptical now. If this works then how do we test the results, if any. I think we tend to jump to doing what's easy and not do what is necessary and that's moving and making the body work efficiently and functionally. I would like to know how a vibration can do any of the things mentioned. There are so many trendy things out there, the public go and buy these things and they never get used. I wonder if my massager at home would achieve the same result. No sounds like one of the many things that make people spend more money when our motivation should be basic fitness and well being. I will stick to what I know works and not what is trendy I think.

Posted by: Anonymous | 04-Jun-2009 02:59 PM |

Have been using a power plate machine for around 4 months in an attempt to lose weight and tone muscle in problem areas like thighs and stomach. I found a pilates studio nearby that offered vibration training and signed up - despite the negative connotations that come with a fitness 'fad,' I've found that not only have I lost cm from my thighs and stomach, it has improved my strength as well. It's inspired me to take a better interest in my health and well being especially now I have had an increase in confidence from using the power plate. I did some research on the machine not too long ago and also found a study in the UK that was released showing that power plates assist in weight loss.
Despite the skeptics, I'm a convert. It may be the 'trendy' exercise regime but it sure works for me.

Posted by: Dean Jolly | 05-Jun-2009 06:07 AM |

Chris Cunniham is correct, Eastern block found use for it, BUT definitely NOT as a tool for all the claims being made, nor would anyone who actually uses common sense in their understanding of physiology favour it over self enhancement application. SAID principle.
Still it's there as part of the learning process, and usually they lead on to discovering more about self-applied action, I mean what else does one do when they cant get relief for shoulder issue from local knowledge, then some how vibration helped.
I get it, BUT there is more applied science available, most in industry just don't know it.

Posted by: | 05-Jun-2009 08:30 AM |

There are now over 100 published research articles on the proven benefits of Whole Body Vibration (WBV).
In this months issue of Womens Health p13 Michelle Bridges comments on vibration training as the future of fitness.
When I visited the UK last July I was staggered at the results my friends had achieved using WBV and subsequently set up a studio last Sept running classes on the machines or one on one.
I have been overwhelmed by the huge benefits my clients have achieved in joint mobility, pain relief, balance and co-ordination in the elderly , sustained weight loss and toning particularly with females (yes, you can get into those inner thighs!) right through to core strengthening and improvements in sports performance for athletes.
Yes there are some machines out there that are gimmicks or toys and some just suited to vibrational therapy. You need a machine that will get to 26Hz which is the maximum number of times your muscles can contract and relax in one second.
For those skeptics out there near the Eastern Suburbs in Sydney come and visit me and I'll give you a free punishing workout that you'll feel for days, oh, and you'll sweat too!

Posted by: Ed | 05-Jun-2009 09:21 AM |

Have look at the 'Research Review' article by Dr Mike Climstein in the Spring 2007 issue of Network magazine (go to the Publications tab at the top of this page and select Network magazine). Mike evaluates a study entitled ‘‘Influence of Vibration Training on Energy Expenditure in Active Men’ and, although questioning some manufacturers’ unsubstantiated claims, he also directs readers to check out research studies that have been conducted with regard to whole body vibration exercise and their specific areas of interest online at the ncbi website.

Posted by: Di Heap | 05-Jun-2009 09:36 AM |

I'm a registered fitness consultant working as a Vibration Training Instructor at Vibra-Train's Auckland City Studio.
All are welcome for a free first session. Be prepared to work-out very hard. On our high force, lineal, purpose designed Vibration TRAINING machines this is not easy, s*xy, soppy exercise for the lazy! I can guarantee you pain and can, in one session, prove to doubters that Vibration Training on Real Machines is a great addition to your fitness regime.
The above commenter said that machines must get to 26Hz. This is when using Pivotal Vibration machines for fitness training. It is essential to differentiate between that and High Energy Lineal Machines where 43Hz is the premium for Work-Out although frequency is only one factor in the design equation.
I encourage all fitness professionals to learn all they can about Vibration Training. It's a training method that's here to stay. Scientific studies are now providing the evidence to back up what Users already know.

Posted by: Di Heap | 05-Jun-2009 10:11 AM |

There is a HUGE difference between Vibration TRAINING and Vibration THERAPY. That's the big problem with the this article. It's good to stimulate discussion but the writer is a seller of a handheld vibrating device - which is NOT Vibration Training at all. They are either very uneducated or simply marketing to Not make the distinction. (After reading the article several times I have to comment on this). This is the worst sort of marketing for this industry as it adds to confusion for the general public rather than educating.

Posted by: Di Heap | 05-Jun-2009 11:50 AM |

Quote from above: "For those skeptics out there near the Eastern Suburbs in Sydney come and visit me and I'll give you a free punishing workout that you'll feel for days, oh, and you'll sweat too! "
Again, I'm going to point out that this quote is from someone who has a Studio that provides Vibration TRAINING using Premium Speed Pivotal Machines. This type of Vibration Training, using a machine that has a see-saw action, involves both static and dynamic poses on the machine. It's hard work (I have tried it) and I ached the next day similar to after a weights work-out at the gym.
The other Premium category of Vibration Machine is the High Energy Lineal (Upright Vibration only) platform. Positions on this machine are usually static (non moving). The user feels intense burn (pain like pressure) in the targeted muscles during the 60/120 second poses but most do not feel any "after exercise ache" the next day.
Physicians tell us that aching and pain is a warning mechanism, it's existence tells us NOT to repeat the action that caused it yet we expect to feel it after exercise! We justify this because of the micro-tear in muscle fibres to promote growth process. In my job I really enjoy vibration training body builders - those who go hard in the weights room. They get a workout that compliments their program and no added after-pain. Pain felt after a lineal vibration training session is usually because the person was outside of perfect position on the machine, or had a pre-existing injury that I was disturbed (not a major as ongoing training or vibration therapy will help with healing). Of course there are many different brands of machines, some very good, but others give high frequency uncontrolled vibration that goes up/down, left/right, back/forward - quite severely pushing/pulling the user in many directions at once. Still other "as seen on tv" contraptions are usually so low force that they neither hurt nor help for training and can sometimes be useful for gentle therapy/rehab purposes. Marketing these machines as Vibration Training is a big stretch and results in the type of comments people have written above - fad etc.

Posted by: Lloyd Shaw | 05-Jun-2009 12:35 PM |

This type of article is highly misleading and is at the very essence of why others in the fitness industry think Vibration Training is a crock.
Here are some major facts to consider...
(a) Just because it moves and elicits a response that does not make it Vibration Training. That's like saying horse riding is Vibration Training and the horse is the device ?
Light Vibration = Vibration Therapy ( released approx. 1870 ) Never shown potential to build muscle or burn fat. But fantastic Physio values.
Flexi-Bar / Wobble boards or any other device that elicits this response through Gravity , Body weight or your own exertion = Involuntary Reflex Training. True it elicits close to 100% stimulation, but that does not equate to training. Without the pressure in the movement no anabolic activity can take place. ( been around forever )
Heavy Mechanical Vibration + Working directly against gravity in given pose = Vibration Training ( new )
Health professionals / Marketers etc.. only out to make a buck deliberately blur the line between these technologies, attach the catchphrase "Vibration Training" to it in an unethical bid to confuse the consumer.
They are the enemy of our industry and the consumer.
Why can I say this with such conviction?
Because I was Power Plates Product Manager and only got involved with this technology through my mortuary work ( don't ask ) I left when they deliberately decided to blur the lines all in the name of profit and go from a small steel machine with dense mass which showed promise ( now the Vibro-Gym ) to a plastic low mass machine from China ( much cheaper to build ). Right at a point when we were getting close to moving forward into better designs, we were sold out and they went backwards 40 years. The industry has suffered ever since.
All previous machines had massive limitations both in design, size, max weight ( could not take obese people ) and results that could be obtained But it was a beginning.
Note: Power Plate had previously trademarked "Vibration Therapy" but we were working towards a "Training" system. I originally wanted to set up studios called Vibra-Train that carried the newer larger commercial Power Plates I had designed and hoped they would build. We were obviously not going in the same direction so I set up Vibra-Train with the original steel Power Plates, Vibro-Gyms and Body-Shakers to continue my research into commercial training machines.
I have since continued to support companies like Vibro-Gym , Body-Shaker, Fit-Vibe , Galileo, Hyper-Gravity , Hyper-Vibe , WaveExercise and other companies doing their best to move forward while being as close to honest as you can ask from any company. Not being involved in the retail market has allowed me to be unbiased and write numerous articles for vibrationtraining.net , in theory , training and consumer protection.
It is this simple folks...
Anyone saying that all 250 brands on the market, no matter how they are designed or built , all do the same thing, are not being up front and honest.
I have personally designed 25 machines, and they do not do the same thing, or why would I bother ?
My best advice, try before you buy, do NOT listen to the marketing, and be skeptical of everything you hear. Even those trainers out there who do not get it, be "old school" but not "ignorant" ( there is a difference ). At least test a proper training unit before you make a decision as to weather this science has merit of not.

Posted by: Lloyd Shaw | 05-Jun-2009 01:10 PM |

And in case anyone thinks I am being to hard on the Flexi-Bar guy, go and read his history page. Only ever used and shown results on rehab . In their own words it is just a cheaper version of a popular Physiotherapy tool. No leap forward in design or function.
Versions of this has been around for centuries in Asia where they used bamboo poles. But all of a sudden it has a new name. Vibration Training.

Posted by: Di Heap | 05-Jun-2009 01:25 PM |

A question for Dineke Kleyn-Langeveld, VibroGym. As I am involved in this industry I like to know where other studios are located. I understood that Maxe Jansens Studio had closed. Have you taken it over? It would be good to meet you.

Posted by: Kylie Morrison | 05-Jun-2009 09:40 PM |

After researching vibration training for almost 18 months I took a leap of faith and purchased a Power Plate for my home studio. I use it primarily to enhance functional movement patterns and increase intensity in Pilates based exercise. For the cynics who think it is a fad with no credibility I suggest you start reading the research. My clients also love the feeling of being invigorated after they exercise rather than simply exhausted. Anything that increases adherence to exercise, decreases stress hormone response, and assists in increasing bone density, lean muscle mass and circulatory response in otherwise sedentary populations, for me, is worth it's weight in gold!

Posted by: Steph | 05-Jun-2009 10:23 PM |

All I have to say is the Flexi-Bar is a fantastic tool. I do use in my studio at this present moment on the Gold Coast and of course just like anything else, there are the people who love it and there are the people who hate it. Basically the people who "hate it", are people with poor coordination and basically impatience. It takes time for some people to grasp the connection between the body and the bar. Sure fighting isn't going to help. Once you got it, you can take to a higher level and that's when it becomes more of a workout. It's for sure a great tool to add to a Pilates/ Yoga classes or to a PT session.
Another toy to add to the collection and great with swiss ball, and Bosu balance work!
To make a full Flexi-bar class you basically you need to combine with squats, push up, core and balance work.
And of course do not forget how great is for rehab work!
One more point: 100 times better than the Bodyblade.

Posted by: Jay Bonaretti | 06-Jun-2009 08:47 AM |

Unfortunately, whilst there may be some research out there to back up the effectiveness of this for rehabilitation purposes, there is a lot of misinformation floating around the industry to suggest that it is an effective tool for weight loss.
I published a comprehensive review of the currently available research of this technology in regards to weight loss where I also considered some of the highly misleading advertising that is currently being aired:
http://www.aminoz.com.au/vibration-machines-a-255.html

Posted by: Lloyd Shaw | 06-Jun-2009 05:15 PM |

Jay.........
You did a review on weight loss studies done on rehab machines. What is exactly your point , that you have just figured out they would fail
? That was predicted in 2004 and already written about extensively over the last 5 years and quite a few people have worked hard to expose it.
Doing some homework and at least some legwork, plus testing multiple products, both old and new, and then commenting might have given you a better understanding of what a massive subject you were writing about. Not just sit behind a desk and "read some stuff".
This is exactly the kind of slack research marketers rely on to rip off the public, just in some strange reverse.
Read this....
http://www.webmd.com/diet/news/20090511/can-vibration-plates-shake-off-weight?ecd=wnl_lbt_051309&em=Z2xld2lzQGNsZWF
So not all studies have shown no promise, and instruction and better machinery is coming all the time. You could have at least mentioned part of that.
I understand everyone's concern over allot of the lies out there, and an overview of the industry is always welcome, but to not understand how technology develops, and the hurdles it faces , makes it look like you don't appreciate how everything you take for granted get perfected.
Nothing you use in the gym as "traditional" methods of exercise was perfected or even understood straight away. Joseph Pilates developed his system in 1910, he died in 1967 with no one knowing who he was.
It was not till the early 90s that Doctors cleared people to do weight training, up till that point most thought it would damage your joints.
I can bet your Grandparents did very little " traditional " exercise their entire life. It just a catchphrase trainers like to use for " nothing I don't understand ".
Our Industries Eg progression .......
1875 > Steam powered Vibrational Therapy devices used in the medical and gymnastic industry, Dr Gustav Zander put up centers across Europe and the U.S. Dr George Taylor and J.H. Kellogg was his competition in the U.S. . Their main focus was simple stimulation. Mainly blood flow. The entire gym system , with exer-cycles , indoor rowers, etc.. ( all which were ridiculed by athletes at the time ) collapsed due to the war and following depression.
Vibro-Therapy was used quite a bit in rehab centers across Europe after WW1. were a James, Alexander Alexandrovich also researched it help with Asthma and other disorders.
But generally it was sold as a cure all for everything including tumors by dodgy salesmen. (These people probably sell cheap machines on E-Bay now).
1960 > Hyper-Gravity loading principles applied to various space programs. Evidence of some sporting scientist/coaches looking at potential for athletes.
1995 > Commercial interest in products , but due to lack of exact science , marketing hype outdoes potential of existing units.
2004 > New era of “exact function” education into Training and design begins.
It still has a long way to prove itself, maybe 50 good honest , well thought out studies by researchers not so grant hungry they take anything that moves , and we might convince some people.
In the mean time giving a more balanced view based on reading AND experience might protect the consumer a little better. Education = protection.

Posted by: Gavin Aquilina | 11-Jun-2009 10:38 AM |

At the ACSM conference in Seattle 2 weeks ago, there was a detailed review of research.
Findings, there are 3 primary different types of machines, there is much research out there and these are done utilising mixed protocols (many flawed) and varied objectives. At present there is not multiple research supporting each other.
The major outcomes from the presenters were:
Yes, vibration training does achieve increase and maintenance of bone density.
Yes, vibration training does increase muscle activation.
To achieve these two outcomes you require different training protocols.
The vibration frequency that provides safe and effective training is 30Hz.
The studies demonstrated that results are achieved by those who are de-conditioned but there are very limited benefits to be gained by conditioned and athletes.
One of the summaries was that you can gain great results (for both bone density and muscle activation) by performing activities without the vibration plate and that the vibration plate may ehance this. Vibration plate without these activities does not achieve the same results.
There was a presentation by a lady from the US International Organization for Standardization. She questioned the safety of vibration training as per US ISO 2631 (google this), admittedly this is exposure to vibration frequencies for prolonged periods as per work place environments but she bought about some very pertinent points questioning safety aspects, some of these:
- Avoid sitting on the vibration plate and performing activities
- Work place vibration resulted in vascular remodeling of arteries resulting in a thickening of the lumen and vessel diameter decreasing
- Standing on the plate dampens some of the negative aspects of force transfer
There was a review of approximately 60 - 70 research papers, many with flawed protocols and small study populations. Areas that the research was summarized into were:
Bone density - Positive
Muscle activation - Positive
Hormonal responses - Mixed research no support
VO2 and energy expenditure - Improvements for obese
Body fat - Non significant
Back pain - No difference between whole body vibration and core conditioning exercises
A final comment, people are using very subjective reasons for supporting vibration training, for those who indicate decreases in body fat, have you worked out whether the vibration training is a catalyst for other lifestyle modifications, if these same people did the same exercises and nutrition modifications without vibration training would they have achieved the same outcome. You see the same false positive association with people taking supplements and training, they believe the supplements achieve the results but as we know the supplements by themselves would achieve very limited results.
For bone mineral density and muscle activation for the elderly and de-conditioned there is strong support as long as you use the correct training protocols.
A good recent study:
Jnl of Strength and Conditioning Wilcock 23(2) 593 - 603, 2009

Excellent comment Gavin - Network

Posted by: Lloyd Shaw | 12-Jun-2009 12:58 PM |

There may be a small number of basic types of platforms but hundreds of variations can be made to effect different responses. And the "30hz is the best" only came from the "longest stretch reflex" according to EMG tests, which in no way means its the best. They have even failed to come up with a theory on why it would be best let alone prove it.
Something to think about...
The machine I have seen put the most muscle mass on someone according to a BCA tests only goes 43hz @ 0.7 mm
But 7 other variations were added . The kind of variations people who talk about Fq and Amplitude as the main spec points know nothing about.
"US International Organization for Standardization. She questioned the safety of vibration training as per US ISO 2631"(Google this)
Why don't you Google that with my name next to it, and see the work we did in 2003 , working out safe exposure levels "before" the safety programs were released .
Got to love these "expert" types getting on the bandwagon now years after the real work has already been done. And being so simplistic in their statement it means nothing, it just sounds good to the uneducated.
Eg....
You use the same involuntary reflexes to catch yourself as you do to catch a ball. The distance between you and the thrower is the amplitude, the frequency of the throw is obviously the FQ. If you catch a volley-ball its not that hard to repeat over and over, but change that to a medicine ball and the workload changes considerably. Your form also has to be more precise or you risk injury.
So the Fq may not change, nor the amplitude , but EVERYTHING , including optimal training effects and safety poses, fatigue factors, anabolic responses etc.. can due to the simple change in mass.
And that's just 1 variation in 9 in just a very basic Lineal negative response platform. If you start introducing positive ( pulling ) responses it goes to 24 quite quickly.
The researchers who repeat that Fq and Amplitude are "everything" are only repeating what they hear from companies who have no real idea what they are playing with, so cover up their ignorance with mass marketing and buying off researchers ( with grants ) to repeat their crap.
Both groups are the lowest common denominator in our industry.
Valid Research.... ???
Do you know how many researchers " forgot" ( re were not smart enough ) to tests the machine to even see what they were doing prior to the research. They just went off the manufacturers specs , and with such companies like Power Plate faking specs left right and center. This practice from unethical marketers and lack of foresight from researchers has skewed results to such a point they are basically useless and can not be reproduced.
Direct quotes from David Basset-Jones who did studies on the Power Plate in 2005 , later to find out he was lied to........
“As far as having “engineering reports” done on machines, I would argue that it is the ethical responsibility of the manufacturer to do this testing and report the results. The blame is not on the researchers but the manufactures ”
“As far as my ( Power Plate ) study in 2005, we only measured the accelerations (which were different than the manufacturer’s claimed accelerations). This was done without an individual standing on the plate.”
” I also feel that there are some researchers (myself included) that would like to perform product testing so that consumers can be informed of the true specs.”
“We are testing it loaded and unloaded. Believe it or not, you are not the only one who has wondered if the Power Plate, being made of a softer material than steel, affects the vibration characteristics.”
“I agree that all plates should be tested before (and while, to go above and beyond) they are being used for a research study…..I can only wish that I thought of this prior to doing this study”
“I am more concerned about the errors/limitations of my research than you are. This was years of planning, testing, and analyzing that I put in to this project. I could not account for limitations in the study that I was not aware of at that time.”
Now this from 2009 to show the practice still exists....
Medscape Medical News
ACSM 2009: Whole-Body Vibration Improves Function After Hip Replacement Surgery
Jordana Bieze Foster
June 3, 2009 (Seattle, Washington)
" Exercises were performed on a Pneu-Vibe vibration platform, at manufacturer-calibrated frequencies between 25 and 40 Hz and amplitudes between 4 and 6 mm. However, Dr. Maddalozzo noted that the researchers’ independent measurements put the actual frequency between 21 and 32 Hz and the actual amplitude between 0.82 and 1.1 mm "
Unethical manufacturers + researchers pretending to be smart = my industry treading water

Posted by: Mindy Thiesen | 18-Jun-2009 08:28 AM |

I don't care how efffective vibrational training may be, just being on the machine gave me a headache! No thanks.

Posted by: Di Heap | 18-Jun-2009 09:07 AM |

Hi Mindy, You statement lacks all the information necessary to address it. Like, what type of machine you used or what brand? Was it a higher quality machine in a studio or gym, or was it an "as-seen-on-tv" unit?
Had you eaten before you used the machine - you really must as it's hard -out exercise if you use a higher force platform. Did you drink adequate water before, during and after your session?
Did you have the guidance of an experienced vibration training instructor or PT who knew how to use the machine correctly? Where you in correct positions on the machine with your head and neck correctly placed?
And lastly a warning, again, all machines are not created equal! Even if you eat, drink etc (as needed for all exercise) and use the machine correctly you just might have been using a crappy machine - one that has uncontrolled vibration going in all sorts of directions. I tried a bad one and it made me feel sea-sick. If you tell me where you live I will try to arrange a session on a good machine for you.

Posted by: Stephanie Pettersen | 20-Jun-2009 09:36 AM |

I have wrote a comment before and have been reading the latest comments. I basically think people should try the Flexi-Bar before writing negative comments. How can anyone write a comment on anything if you never seen, touch or tried?
I have used and use at this present moment in my Studio on the Gold Coast and that's why I wrote my comment before and writing again now. I think the Flexi-Bar is unique and it has a huge potential within the Australian Fitness Industry.
And again in my opinion it works better than the Bodyblade because I have tried both. Anyone can swing the Bodyblade but guess what? Not the Flexi-Bar...If you don't have the momentum with the Flexi-Bar, you got nothing...So it is great for people with poor coordination.

Stephanie Pettersen from cyclelates.com.au
4 x Times World Bodyboarding Champion

Posted by: Di Heap | 23-Jun-2009 06:21 AM |

Stephanie, I agree that people should try a method or machine before being totally negative about it. I have nothing against Flexi-Bar as an exercise or therapy method BUT it's a real stretch to call it Vibration Training as the author of this article has done and to compare it to PowerPlate.
A different term is needed for hand force vibration.
Vibration Training is the term used for motorised controlled vibration delivered (usually) via a platform that the user positions on in squats and other exercise poses. Being motorised and controlled in factors like frequency, amplitude etc, it's very different to a hand powered device, no matter how good that device is. I consider this article very misleading.
Di Heap
www.vibeplus.com

Posted by: Steve Schiemer | 13-Jul-2009 04:21 PM |

Response written by Blog Post author: Steve Schiemer

It seems that I have really opened a can of worms with my piece about Vibration Training recently. After reading through some of the posts, I thought I should take the time to address some of the issues raised.

Firstly, I am really surprised by the number of ‘angry’ postings (for want of a better word) about a subject that very few of the respondents have actually used. If you have tried a Power Plate/Vibro-Gym or a FLEXI-BAR and don’t like it, I completely understand. Like anything, it is not for everyone. Surely though, if you haven’t actually experienced something, a final judgement should be reserved until you do? It is akin to me looking at a personal trainer’s profile and deciding that they are not a good trainer, based solely on reading their bio. I am sure the personal trainer in question would argue that they should be given a chance and allowed at least one session with me to prove themselves. In fact they would probably argue that they should do a few sessions with me so we can get to know each other and workout what works and what doesn’t. Surely any new piece of kit deserves the same response – if not for the trainer, for the sake of their client, as it may be something they really take to.

As to this being a marketing ploy because I am the director of the company which sells FLEXI-BARs in the UK, I was asked by Network to submit the piece for discussion because of this fact. I have been involved in this field for the past 5 to 6 years, have run training courses, spoken at fitness events, and spent a lot of my time speaking with physios, coaches and doctors about this type of training. We do not sell in Australia, so there is currently no real personal advantage for me to write the piece. It is also why I am confident that all bar one of the respondents has never used a FLEXI-BAR.

One area that was hotly discussed is that most vibration devices, especially the FLEXI-BAR, are therapeutic, rather than for fitness. That is, they are for rehabilitation of injuries, and not for ‘fitness’. It is absolutely correct to say that FLEXI-BAR began as a rehab tool, and is still used for that. However, it is also used as a fitness training tool, specifically to strengthen the core muscles, improve coordination and balance, and improve sport specific performance. Anyone who has participated in a FLEXI-BAR class or PT session will tell you that the addition of vibrations while performing any number of ‘traditional’ exercises makes those exercises much harder. Again, only actual experience can get this across properly. Added to that the German, Austrian and Finnish Winter Olympic Teams, the British Ski Team, the German and Austrian National Football teams, FC Bayern Munich, Newcastle United FC and many more use FLEXI-BAR as a fitness/strength tool. The Ministry of Defence in the UK began using FLEXI-BAR as part of its rehab programs for injured soldiers, but has now included it in the Basic Training program for new recruits, as the increase in core strength has improved the number of new recruits who finish the course. With today’s technology, it is possible for something that begins life as a rehab tool to cross over to the fitness world. Just look at Pilates, Aqua, the Step platform, and Dyna Bands, all of which started in the rehab world, but are now seen as mainstream fitness tools.

Finally, I really want to address the whole research issue. I am more than aware that the whole area of vibration technology needs much more research before we can be absolutely sure of just how effective it is. I have spent the last five years trying to get studies done (as has the German manufacturer). It is extremely expensive to do a full, double blind study that satisfies all the required criteria for good, solid research. What many people do not realise is that if you can find a research department who will agree to do a study (not easy to find), there is the issue of cost. A good study on a large enough group costs tens of thousands of pounds. In fact, anything up to and beyond £50,000 (AUS$100,000). It is extremely difficult for a research lab or university to find such funding. If a business can afford to pay that kind of money (mine certainly can’t), then any results are frowned upon because the research is funded by the company selling the product. As a result, getting research done is all but impossible. Occasionally a university student will ask to do a small study, but so far only one has actually followed through on this. I would like nothing more than to have more research done on both FLEXI-BAR and any other form of vibration training. Hopefully, with the increasing attention this type of training attracts, the funds will be released for research.

For the person who wanted to know where I got the figures regarding muscle fibre recruitment, see below.

Shepherd, J. All shook up – can vibration training enhance sport performance? http://www.pponline.co.uk/encyc/vibration-training-and-performance-33404 [Accessed 3 September 2007].

Posted by: Lloyd Shaw | 24-Sep-2009 02:15 PM |

I do not think you get the reason people are "angry" at you. Its your blatant mis-use of the term "Vibration Training" to describe the Flex-Bar you sell. It has NOTHING to do with the Flexi-Bar being effective or not, ( which by the way it is ).
Please note readers...Vibration Training is specific to MECHANICAL vibration, so unless his flexi-bar now has a hidden motor built into it, he is trying to use techno-speak to fool you. And how do I know this? Try looking for the first person to ever list Vibration Training as a Trade-Mark term and ask them what it means.

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Posted by: Adam Stanecki | 02-Jun-2009 10:43 AM |

This post doesn't actually answer the question in the title. I can answer it (although you may consider me biased as I am affiliated). CrossFit is safe for everyone. It is fully scalable. It is not simply "stringing together some difficult drills/exercises". There is validity and empirical evidence behind the program. Do not judge it based solely on internet posts and videos. CrossFit is contrary to many common fitness models and therefore causes discomfort among many in the industry. Different doesn't mean wrong. If you want to try it for yourself, I'll provide a free trial at my gym. Go to http://www.crossfitvictoria.com for more info.
Regards, Adam Stanecki.

Posted by: Williams Australia | 04-Jun-2009 09:44 AM |

I own and run Australia's current Personal Training Business of the Year and have sat on the Board of Fitness Australia ACT branch, and whilst i am a big believer in variety to people's training, i am still not sure that Crossfit is safe for everyone. I have been and tried it for myself and i found it quite extreme even after training and competing for 15 years. The problem i believe we are and will see, is trainers setting themselves up wanting to do CrossFit training with their clients,but they lack enough experience to be able to cater for a variety of clients and to be able to scale it back to suit the various fitness levels they may come across. I am not 100% sure on what training or qualifications are required at this stage to be a CrossFit qualified trainer, but i am sure it is something that can be addressed to make the trainers more qualified and to be able to offer lower impact options of the training.
Time will tell if it will take off in Australia, and at this stage it is not something i will tell my clients to try unless they have a very high level of fitness.
I run a Mini Commandos style of training for around 20 primary schools per term and at this stage i will not teach it to our youth, preferring to focus on developmental fun exercise programs.
With time, better training and more understanding of the CrossFit style of training, it may be something that can be taught down the track.

Posted by: Graeme Beath | 18-Jun-2009 09:49 AM |

Like Adam I am biased but I think there is a perception as relayed by Scott that CrossFit is always intense or extreme. I condust mostly outdoor PT sessions & am a CrossFit Cert 1 trainer but I don't train people in a Crossfit gym (yet - it a goal). My own training is Crossfit & i'M 55 so it's not just for young fire breathers. I would also comment I pretty much beat most new younger people coming out of a globo gym environment untill they build up real firtness.
CrossFit training is functional; really functional not just standing on a bosu. Technique is paramount and a very large amount of time is spent getting proper movement before anyone is released on an exercise program. Workouts are infinitely scaleable and the most intense routines can be modified for 80 year olds & 8 year olds. I use it on most my squads but they don't know it. I've also had disabled people doing movements they didn't think possible simply because no one showed them how. I currntly have a rehab client from car accident.
The intensity comes at each level.
Check out Adams web site & you'll find links to other affiliates around the country. Go, look & talk to the trainers & don't always think about hard core. Once you are hooked though you will want to go hard & you'll accept ripped hands from pull ups, scraped shins from Oly Lifts & general soreness. The guys who opposse it have generally never tried it or talked to anyone who has given it e serious evaluation.

Posted by: Anonymous | 18-Jun-2009 10:38 AM |

I agree with Adam. I've experienced Crossfit and it was an extremely hard, satisfying workout - due to my own commitment level. I think the problem is that it is actually hard to push yourself to that level alone as yes, it is uncomfortable. By the same token yes, it does get results (provided you know when to stop i.e. when your form fails). I've seen some videos that perhaps don't support this style of training as the subjects push passed the point of losing their technique and it all looks a little too painful and potentially dangerous) but based on my personal research and experience I would suggest Trainers try it for themselves before making a quick judgement. The principles behind it are sound and so I think easily scaleable across a variety of populations.
I am a PT and regularly use this style of training with my clients (ranging in age from 20-something to 70-something). I don't think it's a particularly new concept rather the intensity level that attracts attention. That said, I don't just throw Clients in at the highest level of intensity or I'd never see them again. It's a matter of introducing the principles at an intensity hard enough to get results but at a level they can cope with so they don't go away sore to the point that it interferes with their life and they don't want to come back.
I think pushing the intensity as high as you can during your workout while maintaining correct technique is very much optimal training.

Posted by: Anonymous | 20-Jun-2009 04:19 PM |

I am a PTI in the Army and have been for 21 years, the crossfit phenonenum has its place. Where I work we conduct crossfit for all ages, but at a level they can cope with also. I have tried it and my strength gains were excellent, that said I did not look at the times or reps of other people on the web site Crossfitfx.com and rested between each bout of sets when fatigued. You can make up your own and work your way into it, alot of people start off hard and unprepared and consequently receive an injury or accute muscle soreness. My suggestion work in slow and set achievable goals.

Posted by: Brendan | 22-Jun-2009 06:06 PM |

As above i'm all for Crossfit. As a holder of a Crossfit certification I can honestly say that anyone that is willing to bag this type of training has not tried it. It is fully adjustable to suit all ages, genders, fitness and functional levels. In the words of Crossfit " the only difference between an elite athlete and a elderly trainee is one looks for functional dominance the other looks for functional competence " Crossfit supplies both camps with the required level of fitness over a broad range of modalities, that is a broad level of general fitness.
As for the comment about "bad form" All afilliates and trainers conduct a foundation course teaching the core movements and correct technique to all the various exercises used in the Crossfit workouts. This has to be completed before any trainee is let loose on any workout.
To my knowledge not many Globo gyms teach their clients how to Clean, Press, Snatch or swing a Kettlebell safely? Signing a direct debit seem to be the only pre requisite to training.

Posted by: Anonymous | 06-Jul-2009 02:31 PM |

Is it for everyone? Training's about being holistic,working on all muscle groups,flexibility, imbalances, food,stress,educating clients about their bodie etc.So pick a series of exercises that are well balanced for your client ,work them hard, safley and at their level, this is Cross training,been doing it for 15 years.

Posted by: Darryl | 04-Sep-2009 11:54 AM |

i am have been doing both the main CF and the navy seals CF as part of PT for my employment. i'm not a big believer in it and still thinks its dangerous, and to some degree, even pointless. i believe a lot of injuries are caused by this random approach, and the mixing of exercises that should be seperate. eg, doing high reps of heavy lifts interspersed with other activities. we shouldn't be doing heavy lifts after completely wearing yourself out on other activities, as form naturally goes out the window. and i dont believe in the notion of training body parts that are still stiff and sore from previous workouts, but thats what invariably happens as the workouts are random. we have a certified CF instructor at work, and he suggests sacrificing a small amount of form to ensure you push the barrier and make improvements (which was taught to him by coach glassman on his course). in my experience, after doing CF for some time, a new person to CF can walk in and complete and even beat regularlt CFitters. people who do conventional weight and cardio programs seem to have absolutely no difficulty completing ANY of the WODs, which suggests to me that CF trains mediocrity, or a very poor standard, in the fitness domains it promotes. i am currently in a tactical police unit and have subjected myself to some very rigorous training programs. i gave CF and long trial, and my strength and cardio decreased dramatically. we have had shoulder and knee injuries, not to mention more than 1 hernia case. all this from people who are very active and very well trained. physcially and mentally. also, the CF website has SOOO many photos of these really muscular guys. marketing ploy? i think so. if anyone thinks those physiques are gained by CF alone are sadly mistaken. that only will come from long, dedicated weight training, genetics, and a well balanced diet (not the cave man diet). as i said i trialled CF for a long time with a very open mind. im not trying to offend anyone involved in it, im just putting forward my opinion and experience. cheers

Posted by: Darryl | 04-Sep-2009 11:54 AM |

i am have been doing both the main CF and the navy seals CF as part of PT for my employment. i'm not a big believer in it and still thinks its dangerous, and to some degree, even pointless. i believe a lot of injuries are caused by this random approach, and the mixing of exercises that should be seperate. eg, doing high reps of heavy lifts interspersed with other activities. we shouldn't be doing heavy lifts after completely wearing yourself out on other activities, as form naturally goes out the window. and i dont believe in the notion of training body parts that are still stiff and sore from previous workouts, but thats what invariably happens as the workouts are random. we have a certified CF instructor at work, and he suggests sacrificing a small amount of form to ensure you push the barrier and make improvements (which was taught to him by coach glassman on his course). in my experience, after doing CF for some time, a new person to CF can walk in and complete and even beat regularlt CFitters. people who do conventional weight and cardio programs seem to have absolutely no difficulty completing ANY of the WODs, which suggests to me that CF trains mediocrity, or a very poor standard, in the fitness domains it promotes. i am currently in a tactical police unit and have subjected myself to some very rigorous training programs. i gave CF and long trial, and my strength and cardio decreased dramatically. we have had shoulder and knee injuries, not to mention more than 1 hernia case. all this from people who are very active and very well trained. physcially and mentally. also, the CF website has SOOO many photos of these really muscular guys. marketing ploy? i think so. if anyone thinks those physiques are gained by CF alone are sadly mistaken. that only will come from long, dedicated weight training, genetics, and a well balanced diet (not the cave man diet). as i said i trialled CF for a long time with a very open mind. im not trying to offend anyone involved in it, im just putting forward my opinion and experience. cheers

Posted by: James H | 10-Feb-2010 09:32 PM |

I personally think there are ups, and plenty of downs to Cross fit. DOWNS A cookie cutter approach to exercising multiple people is dangerous. No concern for technique, even though they say scale it down, the competitive aspect allows people to push well beyond their capabilities The only safeway to train an INDIVIDUAL is to thoroughly assess them and then program design accordingly, crossfit does not do this UPS The community it has created on local, national and global levels is pretty phenomenal. The concept is great. Charles Polequin is surely one of the most highly respected people in this industry and he has a lengthy article highlighting his thoughts you can read it here.. www.tmuscle.com/free_online_article/sports_body_training_performance/question_of_strength_vol_47 Cheers.

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Posted by: Michelle Williams | 06-Mar-2009 11:26 AM |

There is not too much to say in regard to this topic. I haven't watched any episodes, whilst I admire their courage, commitment, dedication and determination, why did they get themselves to that state in the first place? Under lying factor it is reality TV and to boost the ratings they will do what they have to in order to get and audience. TV RATINGS WIN.
Join the ARMY if your looking for discipline, it did me no harm.

Posted by: Anonymous | 06-Mar-2009 12:39 PM |

As much as I love the show - I feel that the trainers are unrealistically training the contestants.
If I was training morbidly obese individuals, I would not start with high intensity workouts - what trainer in their right mind would?!?!!? Slow and steady with the morbidly obese or they could keel over at any moment.
It would be great if the show showed this aspect of training - starting off with aerobic training of moderate intensity (doing it properly) so that the people playing at home would know that this is the safest way to start an exercise program.
It also seems that the trainers (who I admire and are very very good at what they do) are not paying much attention to technique when the contestants are training - swinging arms with weights etc - they could end up with many injuries......shouldn't propper technique be encouraged so they start off on the right note and can continue at home????
BUT the show is fantastic and can help inspire many people at home to loose weight and eat well!!

Posted by: Joanne Butler | 06-Mar-2009 12:41 PM |

I think most people watching realise that it is not real life and that things dont work like that in the real world. As previously mentioned, it is a 'reality' TV show and as all 'reality' shows do, it has ended up being just another drama played out to entertain, not educate us.
Jo

Posted by: Susanne Wilson | 06-Mar-2009 12:43 PM |

Although it is great to see obese people exercising at an intense rate and losing weight, the show is too focused on WEIGHT ie kg lost. It would be much better and more educational for the general public to see body fat % decreasing rather than kg- any one can lose 'weight' just by cutting off an arm, or perhaps not drinking anything for 24 hrs. This focus also discourages muscle gain, as muscle weighs more than fat, but is more desirable since it is metabolically active.
Also, get rid of the pointless warehouse! This is just a gimmick, and teaches nobody anything at all!

Posted by: Anonymous | 06-Mar-2009 12:46 PM |

The biggest loser has been both the best thing for the fitness industry and the worst, the best because it gets people thinking about the results they could get with a personal trainer and the worst because it depicts personal trainers in the worst possible way and the general public see us all that way.
I have had many potential clients ask me for a Jillian style trainer or complete reverse "give me Jillian and I won't be spending one cent here!", we just have to learn how to work the free marketing the show give us in the right way depending on the client, so know what the client wants and likes before you make any reference to biggest loser trainers.

Posted by: Kylie | 06-Mar-2009 12:56 PM |

I had the opportunity to gain a rare insight into the Biggest Loser TV show when I trained one of the contestants in 2007. The pressure put on the contestants to lose kilograms as opposed to building a healthy, strong body resulted in my client suffering amenorrea, stress fractures, frequent illness and a decreased metabolism through overly strict dieting. The show is not about promoting a healthy mind and body. It is merely a platform for marketing products aimed at individuals who want a quick fix for their own weight problems.
I am also appalled at the additional promotional materials being flogged such as the Biggest Loser meal replacements. This just serves to perpetuate the quick fix mentality of modern society.
I refuse to watch the show as I believe it undermines what we, as health and fitness professionals, are trying to educate our clients about.

Posted by: Anonymous | 06-Mar-2009 12:56 PM |

I think the best thing about Biggest Loser is perhaps letting the more gung-ho trainers which give our industry a bad name see what impression they really make, other than the biggest loser participants who are "performing for the camera" no-one can live and eat exercise and diet 24/7 and if they do they are probably a trainer themselves or unhealthily fanatical.
Let's get realistic about helping people do something they can achieve for the rest of their lives and let's all be more amiable and real to deal with, it's not about image for those personal trainers who want to make big money it's about being genuinely understanding and approachable.

Posted by: Anonymous | 06-Mar-2009 12:59 PM |

I must admit the whole family is a fan especially my daughter and we can't quite understand why - is she just fascinated by overweight people or can this be sending her a mixed message - ok to be that overweight as when time comes and u work like a crazy person u can loose it.
I think the 'house' has its place for those seriously overweight people - they have no distractions and can concentrate on the job at hand however the general public is only seeing a taste of what really goes on in there - how many other injuries are there that we don't see?
As a trainer i am interested to see what the shows trainers give the contestants and have been able to use the odd thing over the years however i agree with the comments above that the techniques used with some of these people are shocking - holding the boxing pads and slapping them down on the mitts of the boxer is one. Also the food warehouse is an interesting if not real situation.
As long as u take the good with the bad, the 'real' and the 'tv bit 'out of the show, and put it with the knowledge we know already then take it as good entertainment.

Posted by: | 06-Mar-2009 01:13 PM |

I can't believe that no one has dropped dead on this show yet. I think it is only a matter of time before something tragic occurs. The irresponsible training methods are completely void of any duty of care to the participants, and the challenges for immunity are ridiculous.... i.e. drinking a 3000 calorie
I am constantly angered by the messages the show puts out to the general believing public. These weightloss goals and consequent expectations are completely unachievable in the real-world.

Posted by: Anonymous | 06-Mar-2009 01:19 PM |

I have to confess, I was addicted to the Biggest Loser. It stopped being broadcast where I live so I've missed the last series. What has always troubled me about the series is that it completely contrary to everything I was ever taught about weight loss ( slow weight loss is best) and training very overweight clients ( start slow etc) - I would never have asked an unfit 150kg client to jog!
But the interesting thing is that these techniques obviously work, whether long term I don't know, and of course it is a pretty superficial environment. I have just read Michelle Bridges' book and she agrees that the Biggest Loser methods are not conventional methods but are successful. Worth a read!

Posted by: Catherine Chapman | 06-Mar-2009 01:25 PM |

Whilst I am a regular viewer of the show I have to agree with many of the comments posted that yes, the training appears to be way too intense for participants of their size and fitness level. I also agree that there is not much thought given at all to technique. One particular episode really got to me - where 2 of the female contestants had to experience "Pain" and one was in a caged area "boxing" with a trainer whilst the other one was moving exremely heavy items on the outside of the caged area.
Having qualified with PunchFit in their punch pad course, kick pad course and personal trainer course, I was astounded to say the least to see how the "trainer" was using the focus pads to hit down on the punching mitts worn by the contestant who was boxing - also without any guidance as to how to "throw a punch".
Its also interesting to note the number of past contestants who are now in advertisements for weight loss companies which provide meal substitute shakes, bars etc. Isn't the whole idea of the show to teach them HOW to shop for, prepare and eat normal meals? Having said all of the above, I do feel it can be encouraging to others to lose weight and it is certainly amazing to see all the contestants when they reappear for the final show.

Posted by: Anonymous | 06-Mar-2009 01:33 PM |

It's just not safe. Is that not one of our biggest concerns in the fitness industry?

Posted by: Jay Bonaretti | 06-Mar-2009 01:56 PM |

My thoughts are published on my site: http://www.aminoz.com.au/the-biggest-loser-australia-n-188.html

Posted by: Anonymous | 06-Mar-2009 02:04 PM |

I admit to watching this show occasionally just to see what manner of inappropriate training they are doing this time. The potential for injuries amongst morbidly obese clients performing many types of exercise seen on the show is extremely high (especially given the lack of correct technique at times) and given the general discomfort of exercise for these people anyway in my experience it has been more of a deterrent than inspiration. Yes, the numbers they achieve in weight loss are brilliant but when put in a totaly unrealistic environment and trained til you fall over I suspect anyone could achieve those numbers - is it healthy in such a time frame? I think not.
I think the games and temptations while educational about what they will come across in real life to a point, are sending mixed messages to a group who already obviously have a problem with food. By far my biggest beef with the show is the sponsorship by a weight loss supplement (but love Helgas - carbohydrates NOT so evil after all) and now, the promotion of shake based diets by ex-contestants. Sure when they don't exercise 8 hours each day they are going to have to reduce their calorie intake but drinking shakes provides no education on preparation of healthy meals that are sustainable for a lifetime. Pushing that to the general public then as a solution is promoting an 'easy way out' - another fix that avoids the real problems and/or lack of education they have with food in the first place and one that will ultimately see a decrease in their lean muscle mass and thus resting metabolism.
What message does any of this voyeuristic selectively educational viewing send to our children??? I would prefer to see a totally 'boring' show every fortnight/month that tracks the changes in morbidly obese contestants who apply some good lifestyle rules in their own homes with their trainers providing sessions and nutritional information 3-4 times per week while they carry on with work and family commitments. That would be truly inspiring for those in the real world who don't like the idea of becoming a Biggest Loser contestant. That would be more likely to be seen as achievable. That would be healthy viewing for the whole family.
But then I don't need television ratings.

Posted by: Jessica Kazdera | 06-Mar-2009 02:11 PM |

I Have to agree the training methods they use are definitely not by the book. But it's entertaining. I'll give it that. That's what the TV audience wants. Good entertainment.
If they did go by the book they would not be able to jam pack a full body transformation in to such a short series. Who would be bothered to watch a show that went on for a year? Realistically that's how long it should take. Minimum!
I agree with some of the other posts. You have to take the good with the bad and you also need explain to your clients that it's not like that in real life. Any one with common sense can work that on out.

Posted by: Bel | 06-Mar-2009 02:11 PM |

I have been a huge fan of the show since it aired in the USA. Some of the posts above have raised some really good points. Yes its a reality show & maybe some the the exercises are not the most conventional but at the end of the day, its about helping people lose weight & teaching them to create healthy eating habits.
Realistically, I don't think its normal for the average overweight person to lose 4-10kg in one week & we don't all have trainers training us everyday telling us what we can & can't eat. However, we can still learn a lot from the show about the physical, mental & emotional barriers that come with trying to lose weight. I am always inspired by the contestants & also by the trainers who motivate the contestants to create better lives for themselves.
As a trainer, I get a lot of ideas from the show as well (however I am more focused on technique)! Bring on more Biggest Loser I say!

Posted by: Anonymous | 06-Mar-2009 02:12 PM |

Its absolute crap. Those people should be embarrassed to be involved with it and they will kill someone on that show.

Posted by: Anonymous | 06-Mar-2009 02:14 PM |

Some very valid comments made above and I have a tendancy to agree with quite a few, especially regarding the pressure to have large and continious weight losses, plus the absence of a strength program to build fat burning muscle.
What I don't have a concern is about the most training methods, ( particulary Steve Willis ) as a personal trainer I employ quite a lot of high intensity interval workouts using the Crossfit methods. An olympic athlete and a old age pensioner both require the same thing, function. One wants functional dominance the other wants functional competence. I don't see why a morbidly obese person ( as long as they a cleared by a medical professional ) cannot push themselves to THEIR maximum for 20 seconds at a time.
Remember gentle exercise gives gentle results.
I find that any overweight clients that come to me find it a great achivement to be able to do the same workout as the much fitter clients and as a consequence have a lot mor self confidence in their own personal weight loss journey.
" We change load and intensity, not the workout "

Posted by: Hilyander Australia | 06-Mar-2009 02:19 PM |

Ok - Love me or hate me i will have my say!
I was one of the original Australia's Biggest Losers and yes it is a reality TV show there is a lot of behind the camera you don't see and as far as safety there is always just out of shot a paramedic. like when we ran up the Harbour Bridge and i was that unfit and full off cigarettes that i needed oxygen, not the shows fault, that was my years of neglect!.
And how many times have we heard of a fit person having a heart attack!!! - yes these guys are at a greater risk but i love & believe in the concept.
Yes they did some stupid things to us - you try getting a 200kg man jogging on asphalt and not expect an injury, my knees are shot and i have Jillian to thank for that, but i also have the biggest loser to thank for changing my life and so many lives of other Australians who are still 3 years on emailing me on how they got off the couch because of us and how they have changed their lives.
I am now a Cert III/IV PT and can help people take that next step not only by motivation - but by sweat and hard work.
Which brings me to my big rant: What is it with the shake evolution!!!!!!
The first thing AJ said to us Day 1 on the show, "Hi Guys, welcome to the biggest loser - you are going to lose weight the old fashion way, no pills, shakes or surgery - just hard word exercise and a health diet.
3 years on its - lets bring out a range of loser shakes bars and soups, I'm sure they are sending the right message, year right! its all about the money and the fact that every second person now are promoting Diet Shakes, who knows i may come up with my own range!!!!! :-) - I JUST DON'T GET THEN DOING THAT - IT REALLY DID MY HEAD IN AT THE START OF THIS YEAR - LEFT ME A LITTLE RATTLED
Don't get me wrong love the show for the fun value and if it gets people in to our gyms, parks or classes it is then up to us to train them the right way.
And i may get shot for this but remember the reality TV side, a week is not a week it can be up to 17 days and we see what they want us to - to get those ratings, that is the part i hate and the mis-conception of the weight loss and to be honest it does hurt more that inspire people who follow the show and train at the same time, who then say why cant i drop 8kg a week, but loser is what it is and you have to take it as a whole.
Love Loser or hate it, it has change my life for ever as i am sure it has change so many other Australian's and people from all over the world who are now getting Series 1, 2 & 3 in there part of the world, use it as a motivational tool and it also gives you a talking point on the nutritional side which may other wise not be a concern to your clients, who think they are going fine on the food front.
And the other thing to remember they are not training with the trainers all day every day, and you actually got more time to train once you left the house than being there on TV, with all the temptations, weigh-ins, challenges, walks, warehouse, elimination and the endless interviews, you would get no time to train if you have to fit all that in a REAL week and try and lose weight.
Anyway i may be bias as being part of the Loser family, I loved my time on it I loved the people who were with me, the other contestants i have met, and how it gave me the kick in the arse i needed and if it gets bums moving so be it, maybe we can get kids moving more and we wont end up with so many people needing to go on a show like that.
Ok I'm Done !!!!!!!!!!!! :-)

Posted by: Anonymous | 06-Mar-2009 02:39 PM |

It is crap and gives people an unrealistic perception of trainers. I believe it is detrimental to the fitness industry and the trainers should be ashamed of themselves for making obese clients train as hard as they do. Surprised no one has had a heart attack. If the fitness industry is serious about helping people, they should act to have the concept banned.

Posted by: April Adsett | 06-Mar-2009 02:40 PM |

Belittling people on television and encouraging backstabbing is not my idea of entertainment. Someone will die using the unsafe methods employed by these trainers. The show is complete bull and that is why I have only watched it twice and that was last week!
Never again.

Posted by: Elyse | 06-Mar-2009 03:17 PM |

Something that is a real shame about this show is that a lot of deconditioned people believe that they HAVE to train that hard (e.g. for hours every day, until they can hardly breathe and their face is bright red) just to get results. This either scares them before they have even started, or if they do actually try it, they end up getting discouraged due to pain or injury.
We all know that it is better to start slow and focus on perfecting technique before adding a lot of resistance or challenge.
Also, some of these overweight people who are older are at risk of heart attacks or diabetic attacks, yet on the show they are not advised of any modifications that they should take with exercise. Participants in the Biggest Loser are also encouraged to "push through the pain", for example if they have a knee injury or sprained ankle. Um, hello! This person needs to rest and recover to support their injury.
My final issue with this show is the controversy that Shannan Ponton has been in. It puts the icing on the cake for why I would never watch that show!

Posted by: Anonymous | 06-Mar-2009 03:42 PM |

Krap with a capital K. I have not and will not ever watch the show. I have been in the fitness industry for nearly 25 years and the whole concept goes against everything I have ever learned and believed in.
What next.... a show where we get skinny people to PUT ON 8 kg in one week? Ohhhhh.... what fun!
The only Biggest Losers are the ones who watch that garbage.

Posted by: Callaghan Australia | 06-Mar-2009 03:52 PM |

I am absolutely shocked that there could be such a show. Being a personal trainer myself, I would never treat/train those people like the way they are treated/trained on the show, but hey - that's TV for you and like some of you have said - ratings win.
What are these people going to be like when they are eventually in the real world? How many of the contestants from the Australian and US shows have put the weight back on? Those that have put the weight back on have said that its because they got back into their old habits, not having enough time to exercise and basically, because they've lost the weight, they can relax and eat whatever they want again!!!
Eating healthy and adequate exercise is a life long quest and this shouldn't stop just because you're a normal weight again. What are these people thinking? What are the producers thinking? Clearly, its not all about the contestants and the media spotlight triumphs again.

Posted by: John | 06-Mar-2009 03:57 PM |

I think that the knowledge and info' the participants receive is very valuable...re eating, and need for exercise, as it seems that they've never bothered to learn anything re health. However, I think that the exercises they are pushed to do when they are still hugely heavy are dangerous..I also believe the practice of be-littling them is horrible, and the games are stupid.
There are lots of strategies and methods ..eg NLP (psychotherapy, hypnosis etc ) that could be used to clear the underlying 'issue/s' that started them on their journey to where they found themselves dangerously over-weight.
The elimination process teaches people to be and stay separate..I'm more important than you type energy., when we all should be helping each other....caring, respect, etc helps shed 'fat, anger, fear' a lot better than the angry stuff...the new age 'gurus' say..'we are one', one with the earth, people, plants, animals etc....time is running out...the show will only survive if people watch it..don't watch!

Posted by: T57 | 06-Mar-2009 04:39 PM |

I think the Biggest Loser is a foe of our industry because it reinforces the quick fix and unrealistic expectations of overweight clients. I get asked by clients everytime a new series comes on about how can they lose so much weight so quickly. But the BL is just the tip of the iceberg of the direction our industry has been drifting over the last few years.
I have been an Instructor for 18 years and like most people started off because I wanted to help people make life long changes for the better. I subscribed to Network magazine and went to all the new workshops for new information I could pass on to my clients. Presenters were passionate about spreading their knowledge and gave freely what we now are expected to pay dearly for.
These days I notice that information is no longer shared freely between those of us in the fitness industry, every second person seems to have a 'brand' they are trying to sell or franchise. It seems information is no longer shared by people who have a passion to help others, our industry has become a platform to make money by selling the latest training idea. When I started out we would scoff at those contraptions sold on day time TV with '3 easy payments you can have a flat stomach, etc' Now that sort of selling mentality has spread to fitness professionals by packaging up an idea and franchising it off to other fitness professionals.
I think it is time we all paused and got back to basics before we lose the respect of our clients and our peers.

Posted by: Adam | 06-Mar-2009 05:03 PM |

The show is great, can you beleive the amount of people worldwide that start their own fitness program and acheive a better state of health and save millions of dollars of government money by not developing illnesses? All the contestants are checked by doctors and I don't beleive they would start a high risk person on an intense exercise program like this without supervision very close by at all times.
If you are a good trainer and a client asks why they can't lose 8kg or so per week then you would explain that the extreme side of things which they show on TV has a dangerous side and that your job as a trainer is to make their exercise program as safe as you can and that you have their best interests at heart. If you are a good trainer then your clients should respect you and if you tell them something they should beleive it more than the words of some TV show trainer.
If any trainers out there think that the show portrays us in a bad way, get over yourself. If you can't market your passion for helping people enough that a show like this discourages clients from training with you then you are obviously not putting out the message that you ARE passionate about the industry. People see us and what we do and should be incouraged or even inspired to change themselves and I don't see how a TV show can change peoples opinions that I am not passionate about helping them. There, that is my rant.

Posted by: Magic | 06-Mar-2009 05:31 PM |

How irresponsible to have people eating only 3 times a day and exercising to the point of continual injuries. If these people really wanted to show a public fight of obesity they should perhaps get their facts straight first.
Some huge topics omitted from the program are psychology, nutrition for results and BSL control.

Posted by: Sean | 06-Mar-2009 05:34 PM |

While The Biggest Loser does changes the lives of most of the contestants, we must remember that it's a highly edited & contrived T.V show. The biggest issue trainers face is that the methods used by Shannan & Michelle on the show are far removed from the methods taught & promoted by the leading fitness education providers. The majority of trainers would be more cautious in their approach to exercising morbidly obese clients at such high intensity so early on. On the other side of the coin there are a lot of people whose fear of exercise is reinforced by the shows high intensity, boot camp methods.
Having said that, there is a lot more going on behind the scenes in regards to medical, nutritional & psychological support to get the contestants to where the show needs them to be. There is a lot at stake if the contestants don't lose enough weight throughout the course of the show. At the end of the day the show is inspirational & entertaining to some & loathed by others.
I do agree with the comments made by "T57" about the direction of the fitness industry. Too many people trying to cash in these days.

Posted by: Anonymous | 06-Mar-2009 05:48 PM |

IS IT SAFE? NO
IS IT EFFECTIVE? NO - it doesn't mentor a long term/life-changing attitude towards self-care
IS IT RESPECTFUL? NO!
WHO CARES? If contestants accept being treated so harshly, will contestants then treat themselves & others in life harshly.

Posted by: Scott Stefl | 06-Mar-2009 05:51 PM |

I find the show to be addictive as I want to see how these people get on with their lives in the "house". I watch it for the entertainment value.
I think it is a great educational tool for us as trainers for all the people who come to us and say I want to lose 10kg in 10 weeks or more like they do on the Biggest Loser. This is where we need to step up and explain what is a realistic or unrealistic goal.
Of course there are a lot of bad thing that go on with the show (i.e. bad technique, high intensity workouts with obese, drinking 3000 calories for immunity), but it is a show with limited time to get results. I think the trainers do a great job for what they are given. If you only have 10 weeks to get someone to lose a huge amount of weight for a money prize, it is more about getting them moving than correcting their technique so their HR falls and then has to be picked back up. And how many of those contestants would go out and have a huge shake or some of the other temptation foods if they weren't in the "house"? It is trying to teach them to focus on the long term goal rather than satisfiy their craving and about choices. They weren't forced to drink it!
Has it helped our industry, overall I believe it has. Are you a personal trainer knocking on the doors of these obese people to get them as clients? Most of us aren't and they won't come to a gym because of the way they look. They already get ridiculed enough. We want clients who aren't quite that overweight and more active.
This shows gives some hope to obese people who are scared to get started on their own. It can motivate obese people to get out and change their lives. Obese people are in serious need of help and who better to help than us.
The show shows that it isn't easy to lose the weight, but it can happen.
What no one metions is the talk Michelle had with Cameron last night after he walked out on her. She made him think about what he has always been angry about and got the emotion out about his wife telling him to lose weight or she is leaving. There is always an emotional aspect to someone being in this condition, even if they did it to themself, we have to show empathy.
But the people on the show are amazing for the courage they display in finally trying to make a difference in their lives. For all the bad points about the show there are so many good ones if you change your perspective.

Posted by: Bill Moore | 06-Mar-2009 06:20 PM |

I'm in a unique position to comment on the show, (with the possible exception of David, a previous contestant) as I'm married to Michelle Bridges, The Biggest Loser's red team trainer.
It's fascinating that there is so much commentary about TBL, itself a significant factor as it reflects the level of interest in physical activity and healthy eating in the community at large - finally!
Those who have been in the industry for a bit of time will know that we spent years just trying to get people interested in exercise, so the level of awareness it has raised is in itself a positive. Until now there has never been the laboratory like conditions for exercise and obesity that TBL has provided, so seeing the results are enlightening to say the least. A few truisms have come out of it I believe, and if you'll indulge me I'd like to list a few.
First - speaking as an ex-trainer and lifetime exerciser - who amongst us in the fitness fraternity would have thought that you could flog these poor souls that hard without someone dying? But no-one has. In fact the most remarkable feature is just how much punishment a de-conditioned body can take. You could almost argue that as personal trainers we haven't been working our clients hard enough to get the results that they came to us (and paid us) for. I asked the medic on set one day what was the most prevalent injury amongst them. His reply? "Blisters".
There is a lot of criticism about belittling the contestants. The contestants are absolute heroes in the eyes of the trainers and everyone involved with the show, and I know that both Michelle and Shannan have nothing but respect and admiration for them. Many of them remain in touch and some have become good friends. These men and women have stood up on national television and said 'enough's enough'. They mightn't deserve your sympathy, but you've got to admire their courage.
When it comes to putting the weight back on, as Michelle says, the knowledge and strength contestants get from their involvement with TBL is like winning the lottery. Some people blow it on the pokies, and some people invest it wisely. Importantly, that's about psychology, not physiology, and there is no research to suggest that if you go through a rapid weight loss program of healthy eating and exercise you'll put the weight back on.
Sometimes the show suggests that the exercises are unsafe or they don't warm up properly. Again, what actually happens and what comes out of the edit suite are sometimes two different things. That's reality TV.
Overall it would be hard not to recognise the positive effect that it's had on the community. I can't tell you how many emails we get from people who have turned their life around after being inspired to do so by the contestants and trainers. These are people whose lives were wretched and horrible because of their poor life choices, and they've reinvented themselves when no-one else thought they could. The emotion around these 'journeys' (pardon the cliche) is extraordinary. Often when people meet Michelle in the street they literally burst into tears. Not because it's Michelle, but because she personifies the enormous emotional burden of living a life of unhappiness due to obesity, and ultimately, relief from leaving it behind.
We both believe that there is a paradigm shift in the community away from the gentle approach to weight loss prevalent in the nineties (remember when high impact classes became taboo? and walking, yoga and Pilates for weight loss rocketed to prominence?) to a desire for a more results focused regime. So many weight loss candidates of that era are still just that - weight loss candidates. And a lot of them are over it. Endless diets, training philosophies etc. have soured these people and we seem to be withdrawing to what we all intuitively knew - that if you flog yourself in the gym and stop eating like a teenager you'll strip the fat. Enter TBL, confirming the growing suspicions of the overweight public.
As for the show itself, yes it's cheesy, yes it's unrealistic, yes it's controversial. But it's watched by over 50% of the national female viewing audience (think about that for a minute - 1 out of 2 women who turn on a TV watch TBL) and speaking as someone who's been kicking around the fitness industry for a long time, it's been instrumental in revitalising the general public's interest in fitness, and in reinforcing the idea that a personal trainer can really make a difference in our national obesity crisis. And every trainer in the country has benefitted from it to some extent. Just make sure that you give the punters what they've paid for when they come and see you. If they want a shoulder to cry on, send them to a life coach. Otherwise, work 'em hard.

Bill you have some very valid points, thanks so much for your contribution. It's great to see an insiders perspective - Network

Posted by: JMc | 06-Mar-2009 06:23 PM |

This show is truly inspirational. Yes we all realize that it does not depict realistic expectations BUT it can generate a feeling of 'If they can do it, then why not me". Yes I agree it is not the safest way to lose weight, or the healthiest. Technique needs to be sorted out to prevent injury. There are lots of issues generated by the show. The motto to weight loss should be consistency and moderation, not all or nothing.

Posted by: Anonymous | 06-Mar-2009 07:39 PM |

Unless you've lived as a morbidly obese person you don't fully understand the mental affliction and trauma that comes along with it all. I lived all of my adult life over 130kg until finally at age 37 I just about packed in life. I had to lose weight fast and furiously or I wouldn't have struggled through. 50kg shed in the first 7 months and then 10 in the next 5 months. The only way to stay driven and focused - for me... and for so many others that have lived with the debilitating disease for so long. You've already lost dignity, lost self-respect and so much more when you reach morbidly obese. I now have hope, a life and a future. That TV show lit a fire and saved my life. Was it safe? Perhaps not - but neither was living at over 130kg.

Excellent point. You should be proud of yourself for achieving what you did. - Network

Posted by: Daniel Neave | 06-Mar-2009 08:14 PM |

T57 hit the nail on the head.
The biggest loser has its market and the fitness industry has its market which to me is totally different to the biggest losers. At the end of the day if people want quick results using training methods endorsed from the biggest loser show then thats great, however I won't be training them!!! Why would we ( the fitness industry) want to train and build a buisness servicing short term quick fix mentality buyers who will drain us and sap our creative energy that others could be benifiting from and who would most likely pay a lot more for.
Do I support the biggest loser? For sure! It creates more opportunity for us to educate and pass on our information!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | 06-Mar-2009 10:29 PM |

Besides the fact that it is very entertaining for many viewers (drama), i am sickened by the whole thing...it makes me feel very angry! I have worked in the health & fitness Industry for 15 years, Group fitness instructing, PT, Management, Remedial Massage, Reiki Healer/Teacher, all over Aus...never in all my experience have i seen such an unrealistic & backward (not to mention terribly dangerous) way of trying to help someone. I am so disappointed with everyone who has put this show together! It is sending out the wrong message (on all levels)...It needs to be taken over by a group of compassionate, knowledgeable & intelligent professionals!

Posted by: Chris | 07-Mar-2009 12:10 AM |

Love it or hate it one can not undermine the marketing potential it creates for P/T's and the fitness industry. Business people know, marketing is the key, whether good or bad. Personally i think authors of above comments conclude obese people are stupid because they watch a programme like this and think that unrealistic hard training and 1200 calories a day is gonna get them in shape in 12 weeks???? Come on guys overweight people are just that..FAT BODIES NOT FAT HEADS. What it shows is that diet and exercise is the key to weight loss. And excuses are just that... excuses.....
Question:???? Has Biggest Loser attributed to obesity in Australia, or is it a bi-product of our unhealthy society and our need for quick fix solutions... Dont shoot the messenger guys, shoot the creator.

Posted by: Gwenda Smith WA | 07-Mar-2009 12:31 AM |

I am so pleased there are so many trainers in OZ who take pride in CORRECT technique food habits and sustainable training for their clients. I have no respect for the trainers on this ridiculously dangerous show, it is simply ego for them. I wonder how well ego will be when there is a death on the show!
As an experienced theatre nurse Im sure there are many surgeons rubbing their hands together as they see all the opportunities of surgery coming their way all as a result of the shocking way the exercises are performed. The amount of fat around the vital organs of these people is so extreme that there is no way there wont be consequences for the stupid training they are put through.
Shakes are NOT nutritional and are not good for bowel health.
Humiliation intimidation degradation and making people dislike another all for the sake of money WOW what type of people are they all? To get to such a size and only be enticed to loose it by possibly winning money,certainly is not a good way to improve anyone's health or well being.
The show is load of absolute rubbish and flys in the face of what we have been taught.
To all the sensible trainers I wish you very best of success in your business keep up the great work.

Posted by: HG | 07-Mar-2009 08:07 AM |

I love the show as does my whole family. Yes it is entertaining to see what these contestants (and that's exactly what they are) are put through. Like any other reality show they are chosen on personality, provided they are also obese. I do cringe watching the lack of technique and the "go until you collapse" mentality of the trainers, however it is doubtful that "real world" people would put themselves through such torture under their own steam. To be that obese and hitting the gym we can only hope that under the watchful eye of a professional trainer that technique and real goals are set.
If this show encourages the disturbing number of obese Australians to get up off their bums and get moving then it can only be a positive thing.

Posted by: Vicki | 07-Mar-2009 11:27 AM |

I think the biggest loser is a great motivator for our overweight public but it is also unrealistic. It's not healthy to lose so much weight so quickly. Weight loss is about lifestyle changes not quick fixes. Why are the contestants promoting quick fix solutions? They should have been taught how to prepare meals in the real world again what happened to the lifestyle change?
How many of these past contestants have gained the weight that was lost so quickly?

Posted by: Anonymous | 07-Mar-2009 12:25 PM |

Hate it or Love it.. You can't please everyone.
As a trainer myself I train obese people and they WANT to work hard, they work harder than most of my other clients.. The determination that my clients have are amazing! I am so proud of them pushing through everything. It all comes down to us trainers to educate our clients and set them up for a successful future.
So many people are getting inspired to get up off the couch after watching biggest loser and do something themselves. It shows people that it is never to late!
I agree with many other comments that technique is out the window and I think of the long term injuries it could possibly cause, but go to your nearest gym and watch a pump class - I see such poor technique in those classes and it is impossible for the trainer on stage to perfect everyone in the class. Trainers need to get out there on the gym floor and be more proactive to help the general population. I can't stand when I see a trainer walk past someone training with horrible technique and ignore it. It takes two minutes to show them the correct technique. It will make a difference int he world and hey - it might be your next potential client.
For the show - it is TV and people want entertainment factor... It could be a great way to teach people some cooking techniques and more knowledge about food and what to eat and how to know how much to eat.

Posted by: snez paunovic | 08-Mar-2009 12:19 AM |

I am on the fence about the show.It is entertainment for some and inspiration to others. Quick fix is what it's all about these days. For each person that is inspired to change their life, there are probably 10 that would rather take a meal replacement than get off their couch-why do something that is going to hurt?
As disillusioned as I am about the industry(and I haven't been in it for long but I myself have exercised for a long time-I teach GF)I still believe that even if I can help just 1 person then it is worth it and if TBL can do the same then great.
ps.Am I the only one who thinks AJ is boring?How about an ex contestant as host?
How about a reality show that follows the contestants battle with the excess skin as a result of such fast weight loss?
I tell you it will only be a matter of time before the public's desire for reality TV takes it all to a level more perverse than what it already is.

Posted by: Amanda Bracks | 08-Mar-2009 07:55 AM |

I think it is a fantastic show and completely inspiring for my staff and members. I encourage my staff to watch it - so they are motivated to changing people's lives.
The biggest problem with our industry is that we are so critical over different techniques if their not our own personal beliefs.
The most important thing to remember about the Biggest Loser is that it is television and is sensationalized - it has to be otherwise it wouldn't get viewers and wouldn't be aired. Therefore the things they are showing are controversial. The fights, temptation, the one minute flogging in the gym are all the things shown for TV and to get viewers and hype about the show. It's called marketing!
Does this encourage people at home wanting to lose weight? Well my clubs seem to have record membership sales during the time the show is on air. Biggest Loser continue to have record number of people apply for the show and they are helping thousands of people lose weight from their web site - why not!
There has been comment that people at home will go and do the controversial exercises by themselves. If they haven't exercised for years they are not going to go and do sprints with sand bags etc. The show shows the importance of having a personal trainer and hopefully our industry can capitalize on this.
My advice is to run campaigns during the airing of the show each year to attract the de-conditioned market and then you have the opportunity to train these people how you want to and get them results.
Basically if the shows inspires people to simply get moving...... how can it not be an absolute WINNER! Most days i personally get tears in my eyes so happy of what they are accomplishing.
Biggest Winner in my mind

Posted by: Renee | 08-Mar-2009 01:45 PM |

I love the show and have watched all series. The show is all about money and viewers and probably have a lot of stuff you wouldn't do with an overweight, unfit client. But, if this starts a conversation about obesity, eating habits and encourage someone to take the first step to change their life, it's definitely worth it!!!
Michelle and Shannan are showing the contestants and Australia that you need to get to the root cause of your issues and get back to basics and cut the excuses.
What I love most is when transformation happens, when the penny finally drops. Just hoping the contestants carry that with them for the rest of their lives.

Posted by: Ferreo Australia | 08-Mar-2009 03:35 PM |

I feel i am watching the show as i only have to nights off. To sit in front of a tv and chill out. I am a head chef and therefore work long hours into the night. So my nights off are quite vegetative. The show draws you in but as someone studying and getting into the industry. It is a mixed bag for me because you do see bad technique used and they are not being gradually introduced to the new life of healthy living. So how do they expect to live in the real world once the show is over. After there personal trainers on the outside start to cost them money and they realise that it is a lot of hard work to eat right and buy the correct foods and to maintain the lifestyle. I think it is good in some respects but mainly it is ratings for the bigger corporations. The worse part is it will absolutely crush 90% of the people that grace the screen. But its their decision and that's my opinion.

Posted by: Sue Wells | 08-Mar-2009 06:45 PM |

While we know this is a TV program that is designed to get ratings, those struggling with weight issues I fear will be put off PT because of the grueling workouts and poor nutrition these people are put through.
The inappropriate modes chosen for the contestants such as running morbidly obese people on beaches etc will result in injury to backs, knees and feet in the long term. If 10x your body weight goes through each foot on impact and you weigh150kgs, that's 1.5tonnes per foot each time their foot hits the ground. Stress fractures, plantar fasciitis, stress incontinence and PFP will be just 4 of the outcome possibilities. This will put them out for months and back to square one.
Their bio mechanics are already compromised with poor centre of gravity placement, poor posture, unstable joints and poor muscle recruitment patterns and strength.
While intensity is an individual thing, in the de-conditioned they are going to use carbohydrate as fuel initially more than a conditioned person would. The show takes this fuel source out initially and the trainers are almost gleeful when the contestant throws up that it has something to do with their training and that "they haven't lost their touch"! The nutrition these people are given in part maybe ok in the short term for the morbidly obese but to have them exercise at that intensity while eating such a low calorie intake is irresponsible and sends the wrong message to the viewers.
What the biggest loser does for these contestants is short term. A long term solution is not as interesting or dramatic to watch but is better for the person taking part's health and permanency of result.

Posted by: Marg | 08-Mar-2009 07:06 PM |

The show is totally unrealistic according to the real world.
Who can afford to only focus on training and what they eat 24/7?
The real world involves working, chores, looking after family and FUN.
How to manage weight loss and achieve a normal life is not taught on the show, in a nutshell it is void of reality or progressive health and fitness life skills.
I constantly have to answer questions from my PT cients and Cert 3 + 4 TAFE students regarding this show and the huge amount of weight that seems to be lost in record time. The intensity of exercise in the early stages also is of great concern. The show contraindicates everything we educate our general population or special populations clients and future industry instructors to do and achieve over a normal period of time.
I was given the chance to cast as a trainer (along with other fitness professionals from around Australia) for this show and refused on principle!
We need to send a clear message to our community that there are many other much safer ways to achieve our fitness goals.
For the few that are inspired to exercise because of the show....how may others would give up before they start because of it?

Posted by: Anonymous | 08-Mar-2009 07:52 PM |

I agree 100% with Marg. Your last two lines are spot on: For the few that are inspired to exercise because of the show....how may others would give up before they start because of it?

Posted by: Anonymous | 08-Mar-2009 10:23 PM |

This show has done nothing but give the passionate PT a bad image. Why? Because everyone out there who has never been to a gym or partaken in fitness at this level, or more importantly is overweight or at worst, obese, is led to believe that this is the treatment that they will receive from a PT. That is so not the case.
Personally, I have been from being a lightweight bodybuilder through to being bulimic, and then morbidly obese for 8 years after having my son, through to being anorexic. I beat the lot of it, and this is why I became a P.T. If I can do it, then so can they!!
I am not out there to ridicule, intimidate or humiliate my clients. Nor do I, but as far as I, as well as my clients are concerned, this is exactly what happens on this reality TV show.
Not all of us P.T's are out there to be glorified. A lot of us are out there in the interest of not only the health of our communities but also the health of our nation as well. Why make the whole process look harder and more painful than it truly is. Seeing someone crying on TV because they failed their PT and team really isn't motivating anyone else watching at home to seek a healthier lifestyle.

Posted by: Michael Hennessy | 09-Mar-2009 07:48 AM |

Yep the show is a joke.
Have you seen much consistent weight management from former contestants?? NO......
Does it send a message of gradual lifestyle changes? NO....
Does the TV show you the hours of physio each contestant goes through to maintain the ridiculous training regime? NO....
And the part i hate the most is that is shows a "quick fix" or transformation that occurs over a short period of time. No individual without such a controlled environment stands a chance of emulating the 'success' these biggest losers are having. Its setting people up to fail and fall back into the low self esteem spiral that many of them struggle with. Also its showing people insanely tough training sessions and turning people away from exercise and any thought that exercise can be fun, enjoyable and a daily activity.
I hate it! (in case you were wondering.......)

Posted by: Tim | 09-Mar-2009 10:06 AM |

As has already been said this is a TV show specifically designed to earn money. There are benefits to the industry certainly but I think that a disclosure should be added to the program detailing the safety risks involved (remembering that they most likely have a team of medical personnel on hand), and the healthier alternatives such as lifestyle changes. Although the techniques evidently work, for the general population they are not safe and not long term. The temptations are ludicrous. I'm a pig and I don't think I could drink a 3L milk shake. Maybe chocolate flavoured!!!!!

Posted by: Ryan Heldoorn | 09-Mar-2009 10:28 AM |

Firstly, the show has done nothing but further damage an industry that has become so geared towards quick fix, aesthetically result driven outcomes.
Reality tv, please. How is taking 12wks off your life to loose weight reality.
What is reality is what happens to the contestants after the show!Adrenal exhaustion, endocrine failure, stress fractures, tendinitis issues, degenerative joint disease...........etc.
I had one client who competed in a similar contest that it took 2 years to rehabilitate to get her energy levels back to norm and off garbage supplements that she had become so addicted too.
Congrats, you have created a show that turns fat beat up people into skinny beat up people. This hasn't hurt our industry, IT'S THE PROBLEM WITH THE INDUSTRY!!!

Posted by: Nicole T | 09-Mar-2009 11:49 AM |

I'm just waiting for someone to have a mild/major heart attack etc due to the huge amount and high intensity cardio they are 'prescribing' these people. It makes me angry as a trainer to witness these people being smashed and tortured to loose weight at an unhealthy and unrealistic rate. Yeah we know the show is designed to make money, but seriously, its hurting the industry more then doing it good.

Posted by: Mattias | 09-Mar-2009 12:59 PM |

I am actually quite ashamed to see that some of you think that this show resembles anything that would act as positive influence to anyone.
The show is appalling. It is nothing but a sadistic game show. I, like some others that have posted here, am astounded that no one has died on this show yet.
The fact that some of you watch and enjoy the show, demonstrates the need for much stricter guidelines and higher education in the Fitness Industry in general.
If they did want to 'fix' this outrageous excuse for Television, the focus should be put on body fat %, as one or two of you have already suggested. This would at least stop the outrageously restrictive diets that these people go on.
This has helped the Fitness Industry in 1 way and 1 way only. It has shown people that despite them being morbidly obese, they can still lose the weight if they put in the effort. Other then that, it has given people unrealistic and false ideas about weight loss, health and fitness.
Reality Television in general has turned our society into voyeurs and The Biggest Loser is by no means an exception. When will Channel 10 (who airs most of them) take a little responsibility and stop doing this to our society?
On the same subject, So You Think You Can Dance does a similar thing. It takes fit, healthy young people and works them into the ground so badly that these normally healthy people end up with numerous injuries, poor nutrition, exhaustion and sleep deprivation just to name a few.
This voyeurism that is Reality Television has to stop.

Posted by: Borbone James | 09-Mar-2009 04:18 PM |

I don't watch the show avidly but have seen it, know the concept and have been a trainer at a biggest loser run from the gym I used to work at. Do I like the show? NO, can't stand it, can't stand the trainers, participants, advice or completely crazy system of voting people off (surely the lowest weight loss = elimination). And this is my biggest issue, don't completely destroy someones confidence, motivation and will to succeed by allowing them to be voted off when they have lost more weight than someone else.
As we all know, people want a quick fix these days. Why do we learn to train in a progressive and safe fashion? Because we are looking to get a lifestyle change and not a quick fix solution. There is no quick fix solution, there is only healthy nutrition and regular exercise. Even if you cross train, TRX, vibro plate, longrun, bootcamp or whatever else your training method is, it needs to be something that is sustainable for the rest of that clients life. You may get results quicker, but that doesn't mean you stop.
Education and progression cannot be passed on during 12 weeks of intense training, and a lifestyle change cannot be adopted in such a short space of time.
However, the show does get people thinking about things, it does get more people into a gym and it does get people asking questions. And whether the program is good or bad, anything that increases numbers through the door of my facility and allows me the opportunity to make a change to that persons life, then I won't complain!!

Posted by: Michelle Wood | 09-Mar-2009 08:20 PM |

I've always loved the biggest loser and have watched most episodes on most series. I believe it does a lot for not only the contestants but also the viewers. Whilst I realise it encourages drastic measures for weight loss different people need different things and what these people have done to their bodies requires drastic change - the show saves lives as far as I'm concerned.
What I don't understand is why a show that promotes healthy eating and regular exercise is also promoting a meal replacement of the same brand - it actually makes me quite angry. I have never believed in meal replacements in fact feel they do more harm than good and feel the biggest loser is completing contradicting what they are promoting in their ad breaks. I can not understand their thinking on this one??

Posted by: Heather | 09-Mar-2009 11:53 PM |

Many people have touched on the fact that this show gives the public the wrong idea about the fitness industry, weight loss & nutrition but take into consideration those people setting out to become trainers and moving into the industry with incorrect information from what they have seen trainers doing on such TV shows. How can the industry move forward when people who are well known in the industry commit themselves to participating in such bad practices?? The people involved need to think more about how the public and industry suffer not just about their bank accounts - you would think after one or two seasons they would have enough money to give it a rest right?

Posted by: Jennifer Sage | 10-Mar-2009 04:37 AM |

Wow, great to see such passionate comments down there in Oz regarding your BL. Here in the US, people are just as divided, just as passionate. As the author of the blog post you linked to - "An Open Letter to Jillian Michaels" it's quite obvious that I abhor their methods.
My post was directed to her horrific methods of having the "victims" (as I think of them) ride a Spin bike, but as a personal trainer, I echo the thoughts of many others who have posted here. It's bad for our industry, it's bad for our clients, it's bad for the trainers. I, too, agree that for every person who is "inspired" by TBL to go out and lose weight (bravo! good for them!) there are many, many more who are turned off by it, and as a result, who may never achieve the joys of health or their desired weight because of the fear that the methods on TBL are the only way that are going to work. That would scare ME away, and I'm passionate about exercise! The "No Pain No Gain" mentality has been dead for over a decade, and we see much success without going down that path!
Here's to a healthy and fit life, without the "suffering"!
Jennifer Sage, CSCS

Posted by: Matt O'Neill | 11-Mar-2009 02:45 AM |

Hi Guys, I did a thorough review 3 years ago of the pros and cons of TBL & the lessons we can all take away (www.smartshape.com.au/a/693.html).
Many of the positive elements have been listed above, so I'll focus on my main concern. The biggest of which is the introduction of meal replacements. Sure, they are convenient and you can get quick results that are motivating to continue, but there are costs. Firstly, when I recently reviewed pharmacy-based meal replacement programs for Choice Magazine (Feb 2009) we discovered diets below 5000kJ. Cutting back from 10,000kJ to less than 5,000KJ will drop your metabolic rate by around 5% within 24hrs, another 5% within a few weeks and if maintained, by up to 20% over a number of months. Less dramatic energy deficits can still get results without the hit to metabolic rate.
Secondly, meal replacements are processed foods that even with fortification with vitamins and minerals cannot replicate the synergy of nutrition present in natural whole foods like dairy, nuts, seeds, lean meats, etc. At best, they are a poor comparison and at worst, they are powdered junk food.
Thirdly, diet shakes do not teach people what is in real food, how to manage real food or their appetite around real food. I have around 300 people in an email program with customised real-food diets now & am inspired by their keenness to embrace nutrient-rich eating and reject processed foods. I'm also seeing that the optimum balance of nutrients from wholefoods is effectively re-wiring faulty metabolisms, delivering results & energising attitudes towards healthy food. When you see this happen and you know the science, it's a natural choice to demand nutrient-rich, real food ad want to share this message.

Posted by: Jo in Taz | 11-Mar-2009 08:58 PM |

I love reality tv and this show is no exception. I love to watch the journeys of these people but I hate the big picture messages within the show - like - you can neglect your health for most of your life and fix it in 3 months. I hate to see people with really awesome weight loss figures disappointed in their loss because it is a game.
I hate the idea that a piece of chocolate is the enemy. It isn't - it is just a piece of chocolate. And finally losses of 5 kilo's and more each week are the norm - this is just not attainable for so many, for so many reasons. I'll keep watching though because as I said - I just love watching the journey, and aren't we all amazed at the results!

Posted by: Snezana Vujic | 12-Mar-2009 06:33 PM |

One of my concerns is whether the successful contestants that have gone into the fitness industry after TBL use the same principles and techniques in their practices?
They would have to have done Cert 3and or 4 and hopefully been re-educated in the long term successes of making life long changes and the benefits of exercising with your capabilities and lifestyle in mind.If only we were all so lucky to be able to put our lives on hold to achieve what these people do.I have also read that a lot of the contestants continue to exercise for up to 4 hours a day to keep the weight off.True or not-the average person trying to hold down a job and keep a family and household going cannot afford that luxury.
Surely this filtering down of incorrect and damaging information and poor practices will only hurt the industry in years to come.
I think a lot of PTs will have to defend their way of training .
Along with all the fad diets and TV fitness equipment ,I think the TBL weight loss way will be around for many years to come ,until somebody realises that they don't really work,they will be a part of society and just another technique of quick fix weight loss to join all the other quick fix fads.

Posted by: J | 13-Mar-2009 10:08 AM |

Obviously you need to ensure that people are educated correctly, but the reality is that people who fit the mold of a biggest loser contestant are not attracted to our facilities and that is the real problem we face...
There are tonnes of other industries or profession's who would kill for a 12 week prime time TV show that airs 6 nights a week, and yes i understand that they can use methods that do not match with the training many of us have received but at least they seem to be able to attract applicants of this nature! I work in a suburb noted for some of the most obese people in the country and i can promise you that we don't even make a dent with them! regardless of the methods used, they are just not comfortable to enter any health club type facilities, so anything that helps them start to consider their health status should be applauded and capitalised on WITH THE RIGHT INFORMATION...

Posted by: Carol | 13-Mar-2009 09:17 PM |

To be the biggest loser or not to be the biggest loser .That is the question!
(You could substitute "trainer" for "loser" in above.hehe!)
From a PT's point of view:
YES the injury factors associated with training such big bodies, at such high intensity levels , is definitely a concern to all. But that is what the TBL show is all about "high Intensity" from all angles.To get results. Really in your Face stuff.
Meanwhile... back at the ranch, I can't put my weight loss clients through such rigours! Have to take into account working within the boundaries of any treating professionals they may have already, medications, previous conditions and the like. Safe training overall works best! I want to improve my clients well being and not create more problems for them. I do discuss The Show with clients, to get their point of view and to give them mine. Its great actually because it creates some great conversations about the whole business !!! So Good for business in that sense!
Health and Fitness to all.

Posted by: Anonymous | 17-Mar-2009 05:16 PM |

Hey, let's just cut the bulls%#t and say what this show is all about - $$$
Ratings Dollars for CH10, endorsement dollars and appearance fees for the Trainers, and hopefully some dollars for fitness professionals that take the initiative to reap the rewards from the exposure the industry gets in one way or another from the show. Mate, even Michelle Bridge's husband, who I heard quit his job to become her manager, tries to justify why the trainers on TBL "smash" the contestants the way they do. Of course he would, it's in his best interest to. But come on Bill, there are many ways to create intensity safely in a workout, and the way it's done sometimes on the show is just not "safe". You can try and spin it as much as you want, but the educated out there aren't buying it.
So, let's call a spade a spade. The show is just that - a "show". On the show are "contestants" not clients. If you don't like the show, don't watch it. If clients come to you for advice and refer to things that are done on the show, advise them using your expertise as a fitness professional, and most of all - try and make some $$!!

Posted by: Steve | 16-May-2009 12:45 AM |

These grossly overweight people go on this show to do one thing.....lose weight fast. They all know what is going to happen, and how hard they are going to be made to train. They are all given complete medicals, and there are medical staff always present. They are given dietary advice and made to look at their old habits in the cold hard light of day.
Yes this is a 'show' and has parts to it that are for entertainment......but I disagree completely with many of the comments about it being dangerous and someone will die! Rubbish. 3 years on and no deaths, just living proof that massive weight loss is achievable with hard work and dedication.......something that most people seem to have forgotten, including many personal trainers in this country.
The old fallacy of working in your 'fat burning zone' for long periods has been shown to be just that - a fallacy. Hard, intense workouts will always get the quickest results. No their technique may not be great, but when was the last time you saw a personal trainer training someone new to exercise and they had perfect technique? Most of all, without the biggest loser, these people would likely be draining our public health system for years, or be dead before long. And don't even get me started on the ones who complain 12 months later that they have put the weight back on. They are given support for months afterward, and I am sorry, did they have their eyes and ears closed while on the show.....can't they remember what they ate and what exercises they did?
I also agree whole heartedly with the harsh treatment they are given when they enter the house. They need to be 'broken' as such, so they will put all the excuses and denial and resistance behind them and can focus on doing what they joined the show for - losing weight. This show should be a boon for Aussie personal trainers who should have overweight people queuing up for a session. Rather than complain, make the most of this opportunity to grow your PT business!

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Posted by: jane | 04-Feb-2009 04:37 PM |

I don't think we need an absolute ban on exercise in hot weather, but we (the fitness industry) must show leadership to our participants/clients, namely that health and safety are always foremost in our minds. We need to demonstrate, particularly to more obsessive participants, that it is okay to change or have a break from our usual exercise programs in times of illness, heat, etc. If we encourage them to exercise at normal intensity and duration despite the extreme heat (for instance, by running our classes/sessions without any modification), we are not providing this leadership. During very hot weather, I shorten my classes, take more drinks breaks, and lower the intensity. My only wish is that my gym were more proactive in guiding staff as to what to do in cases of extreme heat, rather than leaving it to the judgment of individual staff.

Posted by: Zonneveld Australia | 05-Feb-2009 10:13 AM |

I agree with Jane, I am actually just on my way out to do an outdoor session, however i know where i am going and that there are lots of massive tree's to work under with my client. I will also take extra water for my client to ensure they have plenty of fluids, plus fly spray and sunscreen to cover all issues with hot weather. With training on days like today my sessions would be more at a much lower intensity, avoiding cardio and focusing more on strength, core and flexibility training with regular breaks for stretches and fluids. Just like the wet weather the hot weather has its limitations but there is always a safe way to ensure your client have a good healthy & fun workout. However if it was anything over 35degree's i would probably take the session into air conditioned facility or try to do an extra session with that client at another time when the weather is more suitable. LIVE LONG - LIVE STRONG

Posted by: Anonymous | 05-Feb-2009 10:51 AM |

We need to regulate safe and unsafe temperatures especially in gyms that do not have air conditioning. Sometimes the heat inside is more intense than outside when you have a numbers of people sweating it out. All Indoor Cycle/RPM rooms should be air conditioned especially if it is a small space which most are. If temps get above 35-40 degrees I think classes inside without aircon should be cancelled its a big risk to push clients limits in that sort of heat.

Posted by: Anonymous | 05-Feb-2009 11:15 AM |

I have just started outdoor fitness classes for women. I have a new session starting this weekend at 7.30am on a day when it is forecast to be 42 degrees. I have had my doubts as to whether this is should go ahead - now I am really not sure and having some sort of regulation would certainly help. There is minimum shade at the park and my clients are unfit with most having not exercised in the last 12 months due to having children. Any thoughts on whether this should be postponed or if I should just do a low intensity class?

Posted by: Anonymous | 05-Feb-2009 12:44 PM |

People are going to hate this reply but here goes! All of the above comments are totally correct…to a point. I agree that for the majority of “group exercise” participants a trainer should modify a class to suit the conditions, this is just common sense. However, I do not agree that this should be the norm. Unfortunately it is so easy to become a personal trainer that we as a fitness industry have a lot of totally inept trainers. To say that you need to be careful in extreme heat is obvious but to say that sessions should avoid cardio is very misguided. I would suggest that anyone that would suggest basing a session in extreme heat around strength training instead of cardio has never completed their strength training intensely enough. The guiding factor when training in any condition, hot or cold, should be heart rate and RPE. (With obvious exceptions) Taking an athlete that is expected to play their sport in open air in 40 plus degree heat into an air conditioned room to train is plain idiotic and for anyone to suggest such a thing would suggest that you don’t train a great deal of athletes, at least not successful ones! My aim here is not to criticise anyone above but it does highlight how ridiculously easy it is to become a personal trainer. Anyone that has the money can do a course and get qualified and all they have to do to stay qualified is to attend a conference and hide in the back of the room and receive their CEC’s. These people will never get found out if they only train sedentary individuals and act as a lap dog standing next to their clients as they walk on a treadmill. Personality and interaction is massively important to becoming a successful trainer but don’t let your knowledge slip, providing you had it in the first place!

Posted by: Anonymous | 05-Feb-2009 01:50 PM |

In response to Anonymous query about starting your outdoor training session: Great question, and great to hear that you’re asking for advice when you’re unsure. While it should definitely be a case of “better safe than sorry” you might want to consider that the forecast 42 degrees certainly wouldn’t occur until around mid-day, but will 7.30am still be too hot to train? Can you get a projection of the expected temperature for the time you plan to train? A high of 40’s might have a lower end of 20’s which would still be accepted training conditions. One of the reasons that we can’t have one specific regulation is that, like most aspects of fitness, one size definitely doesn’t suit all. A highly conditioned athlete would most likely be acclimatised to the higher temperatures- much more than, say, a client who hasn’t exercised much in the past 12 months. Rather than cancelling the class, you could consider changing the location to include more shade or even move it indoors. If this is not possible and the conditions remain risky, I would suggest that you seriously consider re-scheduling it. It’s simply not worth the threat to your clients and your business. For further information, you might want to read http://www.sma.org.au/information/preventing_heat_illness_in_sport_policy.asp Thanks for your comments!

Posted by: vic country | 05-Feb-2009 03:49 PM |

Good afternoon, (even if it is 41 degrees and I'm about to take aqua outside (crazy I know) I believe that you don't have to avoid training, cardio or strength, on a hot day just lessen the intensity. I take boxing classes outside in 38-40 degree heat (under shade/hasn't been below 38 degrees for at least 3 weeks) It is more pleasant than in our evap air conditioned gym because it is harder to breathe inside. I participate in the class to gauge the intensity. We have coped at this temperature for the last three weeks without any problem at all (less intensity obviously). I watch my participants carefully and a good trainer should be able to tell if anyone is not coping. Hats, sunscreen, frequeunt drink breaks etc etc are common sense. PS. anonymous. If you start an email, people are going to hate this reply, wait and re-read your email before pressing the submit button, but I guess that's why your anonymous. You can't write "My aim is not to critisise" and then rant about how unqualified, inept, idiotic, unsuccessful, unknowledgable and ridiculous the trainers are. I believe you took their emails out of context. I think we are talking about general classes not elite athletes although yours is a valid point, albeit they are also vunerable to heat stroke. I totally agree that personality and interaction skills are extremely important to be a good trainer. This of course extends to professionalism which would include not making generalised comments about colleagues whose qualifications and expertise are unknown. PS I have no idea who the above blogs have come from

Posted by: C-Change Training Studio | 05-Feb-2009 04:21 PM |

I believe that it is to hard to monitor what you clients do during the day prior to attending the gym, they could have been sitting outdoors for the whole day making them extremely dehydrated. Although there are no regulations in regard to this articles state that on days of extreme heat you should drink a small amount of fluid every ten minutes prior to and during exercise. I believe there is a duty of care and it is not safe for someone to do for example a cycle class for an hour on day of 40 +. We are in a position as a small studio to closely monitor our clients but I think that there is not many times that the temperature exceeds 40 and the safest conclusion would be to not risk it. I have added a note to our studio procedures that states what we do on these hot days. I am all for regulations and research into this matter.

Posted by: Mimi | 05-Feb-2009 08:12 PM |

I have been teaching my outdoor classes / clients/ outdoor aqua in this extreme heat over the last 3 weeks and yes it's challenging for us as fitness leaders and for the clients. I gues it all comes down to the individual - ask questions such as adequate fluid intake prior to exercise & offer them an out. I think some clients are afraid to cancel with short notice - which may result in financial loss over their own health. I would prefer to lose income than risk a person's health. I suffered heat stroke during a race in Canberra a few years ago, pushing myself to cross that finish line regardless & I tell you it was quick & scary.. I had to have a drip & a night in hospital to rehydrate. You do not want to be in that position! We just need to be sensible.

Posted by: Jane | 08-Feb-2009 10:31 PM |

To not-attributed who said: "The guiding factor when training in any condition, hot or cold, should be heart rate and RPE. (With obvious exceptions) Taking an athlete that is expected to play their sport in open air in 40 plus degree heat into an air conditioned room to train is plain idiotic and for anyone to suggest such a thing would suggest that you don’t train a great deal of athletes, at least not successful ones!" Just for your information, I don't undertake sport-specific training, I teach group fitness classes at the Y. I therefore operate under the assumption that people are NOT acclimatised to training in the heat, are NOT wearing heart rate monitors (and even if they were, I would not be in a position to individually assess their intensity), and most certainly DO NOT need to continue their ordinary exercise regime under such extreme conditions. I should also note that while RPE is a useful tool for measuring intensity (and one I use in my classes a lot), ultimately, it is my responsibility to teach a class that is safe, not to rely totally on my participants' ability to self-select an appropriate intensity.

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Posted by: Anon | 19-Jan-2009 10:18 PM |

Nice one Amelia! I am a firm believer in point number 2, I've always thought that it's a bit difficult to "force" our clients to do whatever we want them to do, without even considering their motivators, desires and comfort zones...

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